[UK-TUG] Are you a member of UK TUG? Donations to TUG + DANTE soon?

[Keiran Harcombe]

Hi,

Either way, under section 8 2a, The committee may resolve to terminate
membership if any sum due from the member to UK-TUG is not paid in full
within six months of it falling due;

In technicality, I am still a member of UK TUG as my membership has not
lapsed and is still running as of September 2021. 

If what you say is correct and that membership lapsed on January 2022,
UK TUG has no membership. 

Just a few observations for you to consider. 

Kind Regards,
Keiran Harcombe

On January 22, 2022, Jay Hammond <jay at jjnr.uk> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have sent Jonathan Fine a long analysis  of why ex-members are not 
> currently members. The short explanation is that UKTUG has bye-laws
> as 
> well as a constitution. At this stage, I do not think it is possible
> to 
> overturn bye-laws that have been accepted by members as valid for
> about 
> 30 years.
>
> If you'd like a copy of my explanation, please ask.
>
> Jay
>
>
> On 22/01/2022 15:04, Jonathan Fine wrote:
> > Hi
> >
> > To my surprise, Jay has told me that I am no longer a member of UK 
> > TUG. He told me this is because I did not renew my membership on or 
> > before January 1st 2022. Jay also told me that this applies to all 
> > 2021 members of UK TUG.
> >
> > The constitution (and common sense) are quite clear. No specific 
> > action is required to remain a member, other than staying alive
>
> [correct as far as it goes]
>
> > and paying the dues (if any).
> [JH the constitution says nothing about  paying dues, the bye-laws
> do. 
> Bye-laws also require renewal.]
>
> > This is how 2020 members became 2021 members.
> [JH not as I recall. I believe we were renewed by the secretary, if
> not, 
> then another situation happened, which we might investigate if it 
> becomes important]
> >
> > It is to me clear that we're all members of UK TUG provided we're 
> > alive and haven't resigned, until the process of dissolution is
> complete.
> [JH not obvious to me]
> >
> > I hope the process of dissolution is not delayed and goes well.
>
> [jh thank-you]
>
>
> > I look forward to hearing news of donations to TUG and DANTE. The
> UK 
> > TUG Committee is responsible for this,
>
> [JH correct]
>
> > and it is accountable to the members.
>
> [jh debatable, if  'formally accountable' is meant]
>
> [jh but moot if there are no members]
>
> [jh I think the committee should, morally, report to ex-members that 
> dissolution is complete. It was entrusted by  the 2021 members to
> carry 
> out dissolution. I'd welcome views on how much detail ex-members
> would 
> like to see.]
>
> >
> > with kind regards
> >
> > Jonathan
> >
> >
> > best wishes, Jay
>
> -- 
> Email use jay at jjnr.uk
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