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<div>Hi,<br><br>Either way, under section 8 2a, The committee may resolve to terminate membership if any sum due from the member to UK-TUG is not paid in full within six months of it falling due;<br><br>In technicality, I am still a member of UK TUG as my membership has not lapsed and is still running as of September 2021. <br><br>If what you say is correct and that membership lapsed on January 2022, UK TUG has no membership. <br><br>Just a few observations for you to consider. <br><br></div><div>Kind Regards,<br>Keiran Harcombe</div><div><br></div><div>On January 22, 2022, Jay Hammond <jay@jjnr.uk> wrote:</div><blockquote>Hi,<br><br>I have sent Jonathan Fine a long analysis of why ex-members are not <br>currently members. The short explanation is that UKTUG has bye-laws as <br>well as a constitution. At this stage, I do not think it is possible to <br>overturn bye-laws that have been accepted by members as valid for about <br>30 years.<br><br>If you'd like a copy of my explanation, please ask.<br><br>Jay<br><br><br>On 22/01/2022 15:04, Jonathan Fine wrote:<br>> Hi<br>><br>> To my surprise, Jay has told me that I am no longer a member of UK <br>> TUG. He told me this is because I did not renew my membership on or <br>> before January 1st 2022. Jay also told me that this applies to all <br>> 2021 members of UK TUG.<br>><br>> The constitution (and common sense) are quite clear. No specific <br>> action is required to remain a member, other than staying alive<br><br>[correct as far as it goes]<br><br>> and paying the dues (if any).<br>[JH the constitution says nothing about paying dues, the bye-laws do. <br>Bye-laws also require renewal.]<br><br>> This is how 2020 members became 2021 members.<br>[JH not as I recall. I believe we were renewed by the secretary, if not, <br>then another situation happened, which we might investigate if it <br>becomes important]<br>><br>> It is to me clear that we're all members of UK TUG provided we're <br>> alive and haven't resigned, until the process of dissolution is complete.<br>[JH not obvious to me]<br>><br>> I hope the process of dissolution is not delayed and goes well.<br><br>[jh thank-you]<br><br><br>> I look forward to hearing news of donations to TUG and DANTE. The UK <br>> TUG Committee is responsible for this,<br><br>[JH correct]<br><br>> and it is accountable to the members.<br><br>[jh debatable, if 'formally accountable' is meant]<br><br>[jh but moot if there are no members]<br><br>[jh I think the committee should, morally, report to ex-members that <br>dissolution is complete. It was entrusted by the 2021 members to carry <br>out dissolution. I'd welcome views on how much detail ex-members would <br>like to see.]<br><br>><br>> with kind regards<br>><br>> Jonathan<br>><br>><br>> best wishes, Jay<br><br>-- <br>Email use jay@jjnr.uk</blockquote>
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