[UK-TUG] Procedural matters. No procedural discussion wanted.

[Jay Hammond]

I asked the meeting to let me know whether they wanted to discuss a 
procedural motion with two purposes proposed by Jonathan fine. The 
meeting does not want that discussion. I will not offer the meeting 
Jonathan Fine's motion.

The period during which hands were shown was short. It may have excluded 
some members  who did not realise the vote was taking place, or were 
unable to  give an indication of their feeling in the time allowed. So 
it wasn't an accurate indication of the strength of feeling. But it was 
as clear an indication as you can get in time to take the necessary action.

If this were a vote, I should have had to consider which votes were 
invalid, spoiled or unclear. Since I want the feeling of the meeting, 
not a vote. I read the text of the indications and interpreted it using 
common sense.  It follows that I can't give you precise numbers on the 
No's.  I can be precise about the Yesses.

There were 13 responses to the request for a show of hands. That's more 
than a quorum, but this was not a formal vote.  There were no YESes at 
all;  no indications that any  member wanted to discuss a  procedural 
motion. I had supposed that the proposer might indicate they wanted it 
discussed.  There was an abstention. There were about 10  NOs. There 
were a few indications that the underlying procedural motion (to adjourn 
to discuss ...) should be rejected.  Some hands were shown to my 
personal email address, the members saying they chose not to put them on 
UKTUG-announce. I'm prepared to have the private votes looked at by an 
independent scrutineer.

But I don't think it's necessary. The 8 or so hands you can see in the 
meeting  are all against the procedural motion discussion. And no-one is 
in favour.

Please continue discussion on the motions. Or vote if you are ready and 
have not done so yet.

I started a new subject 'How to Vote'. It contains a sample vote you can 
modify to indicate your choices. Of course the FOR, AGAINST, ABSTAIN 
words need to be put in the right places by you. The right places are 
indicated by the neutral MU. There is a little guidance on the mechanics .

I apologise that it's possible to vote for contradictory instructions to 
go to the committee. Please don't ! Restrain your FORs. One or two may 
be enough, I think there may be a combination of 3 FORs that is not 
contradictory.

Thank you and goodnight! I'm out of circulation until lunchtime as I 
have commitments. (and a bed to get to)

Jay

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