Default Paper Size

[Zdenek Wagner]

Hi,

I was pointed to this project:
https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/fatka/texlive-dummy/

I use dnf upgrade plugin to upgrade Fedora to release n+1 but I am not
sure whether it survives. I will try...

Zdeněk Wagner
http://ttsm.icpf.cas.cz/team/wagner.shtml

so 16. 4. 2022 v 1:41 odesílatel Richard Graham <rickhg12hs at gmail.com> napsal:
>
> I'm wondering if someone with Fedora "package-fu" could create a
> "fake" RPM that would "satisfy" all other Fedora TeX/LaTeX/texlive
> dependencies.
>
> Would that prevent `dnf` from installing the Fedora texlive package
> and all its dependencies?  If it worked as hoped, if you have already
> installed the full TexLive from TUG/etc., then everything would still
> work and there would be no need to download the gigantic Fedora
> texlive.
>
> This seems like playing with fire but if it worked it sure would save
> a lot of disk space.
>
> On Thu, Apr 14, 2022 at 2:17 PM Zdenek Wagner <zdenek.wagner at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I am not aware of "equiv TL packages" in Redhat based distros, maybe
> > Jindřich Nový could know more (I am sending cc). Anyway, you have to
> > install these packages because dnf/rpm dependencies requires it. On
> > the other hand, when the installed tools call text binaries, they use
> > whatever is first at PATH. Thus you can have TeX Live from TUG and the
> > Fedora packages will never be used. I have both with TL from TUG at
> > the beginning of PATH and usually I do not care that I have the Fedora
> > packages because my disk is large enough but sometimes, e.g. on a
> > notepad with a small disk, installation of TL packages consumes too
> > much space. This is a problem of R-project. I am not an R programmer,
> > I will never use TeX for typesetting R documentation, I only want to
> > run trivial R programs written by someone else, yet I am forced to
> > install the TL packages due to dependencies. And it is the same on a
> > Mac if I need the R-project from macports. In fact I am not allowed to
> > used the R-project on some of my computers because i have no space for
> > TeX. Thus the ability of ignoring the dependences on TeX while
> > accepting other dependences will be useful.
> >
> > Zdeněk Wagner
> > http://ttsm.icpf.cas.cz/team/wagner.shtml
> >
> > čt 14. 4. 2022 v 2:20 odesílatel Norbert Preining
> > <norbert at preining.info> napsal:
> > >
> > > Hi Troy,
> > >
> > > (also answering here, but please refrain from double posting, first try
> > > one, then the other).
> > >
> > > first of all, I have no idea about Fedora's packaging of TL, but I know
> > > how I did the packaging in Debian, and I know upstream TL quite well.
> > >
> > > > The command "tlmgr paper letter" does not seem to affect LuaTeX
> > >
> > > I don't think that tlmgr paper will work out of the box in Fedora.
> > > tlmgr is a package manager, and making it work would mean interfering
> > > with rpm/dnf/whatever fedora uses. Thus, I guess that your changes
> > > didn't work.
> > >
> > > > > sudo tlmgr paper letter
> > > > tlmgr: setting paper size for dvipdfmx to letter:
> > > > /usr/share/texlive/texmf-config/dvipdfmx/dvipdfmx.cfg
> > > > tlmgr: setting paper size for dvips to letter:
> > > > /usr/share/texlive/texmf-config/dvips/config/config.ps
> > > > tlmgr: setting paper size for pdftex to letter:
> > > > /usr/share/texlive/texmf-config/tex/generic/tex-ini-files/pdftexconfig.tex
> > > > tlmgr: setting paper size for psutils to letter:
> > > > /usr/share/texlive/texmf-config/psutils/paper.cfg
> > > > tlmgr: setting paper size for xdvi to letter:
> > > > /usr/share/texlive/texmf-config/xdvi/XDvi
> > > > tlmgr: An error has occurred. See above messages. Exiting.
> > >
> > > It is strange that there is no other indication of what went wrong.
> > > If you can reproduce this with
> > >         tlmgr -v paper letter
> > > (or even -v -v) and send me the output, I can take a look.
> > >
> > > > This is almost certainly a Fedora TeX Live packaging issue, and it could be
> > >
> > > Yes, so I suggest contacting Fedora about this. Nothing we here can fix.
> > > The least this list (luatex), but even the main tex-live mailing list
> > > wouldn't be perfect (although some fedora users might help you there).
> > >
> > > > resolved (I'm confident) by manually installing the binary TeX Live
> > > > distribution directly from TUG (which I have done many times before).
> > >
> > > Yes, that is what I do, too.
> > >
> > > > However, this is an undesirable solution because it may cause other
> > > > packages (that depend on TeX Live) to be "confused" and also would result
> > > > in twice the storage used (having side-by-side installations of TeX Live).
> > >
> > > confusion comes from PATH setup. You have to make sure that the TUG TL
> > > comes first in the PATH.
> > >
> > > Concerning storage size: In Debian you can use the "equivs" command to
> > > create a package that *fakes* an installation, see
> > >         https://www.tug.org/texlive/debian.html
> > > under "Integrating vanilla TeX Live with Debian"
> > >
> > > I am pretty sure there is something similar for Fedora, too.
> > >
> > > >    - Is it possible to change the default paper size without having to use
> > > >    tlmgr?  Does tlmgr call/execute a particular command that could possibly be
> > > >    executed manually?
> > >
> > > Change the configuration files used. The question is where these files
> > > are located in Fedora. Maybe in /etc/texmf ?
> > >
> > > Best
> > >
> > > Norbert
> > >
> > > --
> > > PREINING Norbert                              https://www.preining.info
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