[tex-hyphen] Dutch Tex hyphenation patterns license

Thu Oct 14 23:17:07 CEST 2021

Hi all,

We, Stichting OpenTaal which was created by members of NTG, 
maintains/continues the collection of hyphenation patterns once made by 
Piet. For which many thanks Piet. I was never involved in the past 
versions and only recently started on this. In our database we have a 
lot of new Dutch hyphenations patterns that were added in the last ten 
or fifteen years but haven't been published yet.

OpenTaal makes the FOSS word list, spell checker, thesaurus, etc. for 
Dutch. All under MIT/BSD license. We would like to make an updated 
version of the Dutch hyphenation patterns. This would mean, adding new 
patterns, keeping the ones that are already in there and respecting the 
license the current hyphenations patterns have. We are okay with MIT 
license or whatever the original authors and current maintainers agree upon.

If anybody reading this would like to help me updating the Dutch 
hyphenation patterns, i.e. reviewing the process or tests, please 
contact me.

Best regards,

Pander

On 10/14/21 17:10, Piet Tutelaers wrote:
> Hello Mojca,
>
> I agree to whatever you think is the best for the survival of the 
> Dutch hyphenation patterns. If that is the MIT license go ahead.
>
> I have tex-hyphen at tug.org added to the recipients.
>
> Good luck and the very best to all of you,
>
> Piet
>
> Op 14-10-2021 om 16:08 schreef Mojca Miklavec:
>> Dear Hans, Piet & others,
>>
>> First of all: Hans, thank you very much for forwarding us the email
>> conversation.
>>
>> There have been several individual efforts to re-license the patterns
>> on a language-by-language basis (by Mozilla, Google, some Linux
>> distributions, ...).
>> The LPPL licence (being also used by the Dutch patterns) causes some
>> troubles to certain projects and their lawyers. Arthur had a couple of
>> talks about that at BachoTeX.
>>
>> Based on the discussions we had many years ago, MIT licence in fact
>> seems the one that's most suitable to the widest variety of projects
>> potentially interested in using the patterns.
>>
>> Me and Arthur are maintaining the repository with the latest versions
>> of "all" patterns, but we need an explicit permission from the author
>> (Piet) if we want to change the licence of the patterns.
>>
>> So the short question is: do you Piet agree to re-licencing the
>> patterns to the MIT licence?
>>      https://opensource.org/licenses/MIT
>>
>> We can take care of the changes themselves if needed, but we would
>> need your permission to do so.
>> (An email sent to tex-hyphen at tug.org would serve as a publicly
>> archived confirmation in case someone asks about it in the future.)
>>
>> Thank you,
>>      Mojca
>>
>> On Thu, 14 Oct 2021 at 15:49, Hans Hagen wrote:
>>> Hi Piet,
>>>
>>> I forwarded the mail to the official hyphenation maintainers (Piet:
>>> years (tex live) pattern management was made into a project where
>>> patterns are maintained by an able team in utf format for various
>>> formats and thereby Arthur and Mojca handle all now).
>>>
>>> Personally I find licenses a boring, uninteresting and waste-of-time
>>> subject (if only because I think that the large (commercial)
>>> organizations do whatever they like anyway and/or always find ways
>>> around it) so I happily leave it to the team to decide what license(s)
>>> to apply. As long as it doesn't backfire.
>>>
>>> Hans
>>>
>>>> Hello Annemarie,
>>>>
>>>> It will be no problem to use the Dutch TeX hyphenation patterns I
>>>> expect. But I am retired since 2008 and am not active in the TeX world
>>>> anymore. I will forward your request to NTG (Nederlandstalig TeX
>>>> Genootschap). They can tell you which version is the most actual and
>>>> help you further.
>>>>
>>>> I am curious in what way you will use the hyphenation patterns in the
>>>> Android system. I remember that I wrote a C-program hyphenate.c 
>>>> that can
>>>> use the TeX patterns to hyphenate a list of words for testing 
>>>> purposes.
>>>> I expect that this program is still available on the TeX archives
>>>> otherwise I can try to locate it in my personal archives.
>>>>
>>>> Best wishes and succes with the patterns,
>>>>
>>>> Piet
>>>>
>>>> Op 14-10-2021 om 02:26 schreef Annemarie Apple:
>>>>> Hi Piet,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am reaching out about the Tex hyphenation patterns for Dutch,
>>>>> hyph-nl,
>>>>> <https://github.com/hyphenation/tex-hyphen/blob/master/hyph-utf8/tex/generic/hyph-utf8/patterns/tex/hyph-nl.tex> 
>>>>>
>>>>> which we would like to be able to use in the Android Open Source
>>>>> Project <https://source.android.com/>.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you the original author of these patterns? If so, would you be
>>>>> willing to license your hyphenation patterns under the MIT license
>>>>> <https://opensource.org/licenses/MIT>so that we can use them in 
>>>>> Android?
>>>>>
>>>>> If so, would you mind either opening a PR to update the file in 
>>>>> GitHub
>>>>> or replying to this email with tex-hyphen at tug.org
>>>>> <mailto:tex-hyphen at tug.org> on cc confirming the following so that 
>>>>> the
>>>>> file can be updated in GitHub as well?
>>>>>
>>>>>    * You are the author of the source code
>>>>>    * That the source code is made available to the public under the
>>>>>      terms of the MIT software license
>>>>>      <https://opensource.org/licenses/MIT>,
>>>>>
>>>>> Looking forward to hearing from you!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Annemarie Apple
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Annemarie Apple
>>>>>
>>>>> Program Manager, Android i18n
>>>>>
>>>>> aapple at google.com <mailto:aapple at google.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> /Questions about Android localization or internationalization? Check
>>>>> out go/android-l10n <http://go/android-l10n> and go/android-i18n
>>>>> <http://go/android-i18n>./
>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~
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>>>>> person. Thank you!
>>>
>>> -- 
>>>
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