[latexrefman-discuss] Using the right single quote at domain.hid{'} in text mode produces a different character (apostrophe)

[Vincent Belaïche]

Hello Johannes,


Thank you for pointing that \textquotedoubleright had a single ', I have
just fixed it.

I agree for the Math symbol, we should not go into detail, and rather
add a pointer to the Text Symbols node/anchor to \textquoteright. I will
do that if everybody agrees.

But then, concerning what we say there, currrently we have just this
text:


    @item \textquoteright @r{(or @code{'})}
    @cindex right quote, single
    @cindex single right quote
    Single right quote: '.

I am not sure where it would end if we go into describing all the local
specific stuff. For instance, in French `` and '' keep their original
meaning as sometimes English quotes may be used, so we have \og and \fg
macros (both in `babel/frenchb' and in `e-french/french' packages, or
more simply the UTF-8 characters ``«'' and ``»'', or also « << » and
« >> » are available in `e-french/french' package.

Maybe there is a need for nodes specific to German, French, etc...

Anyway, I have tried your example, and as far as I can see ' and
’%U+2019 produce the same glyph (see attachment).

   Vincent.

PS: \og and \fg stand for « ouvrez les guillemets » and « fermez les
guillemets »

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Le 21/02/2016 18:40, Johannes Böttcher a écrit :
> I do have the pdf version coming with TeX Live at hand, and in this
> version it is just stated that ' is giving a different result in text
> mode (without going into specifics). That is completely enough, i
> think, since this is the section on math symbols.
>
> Section "Sepcial insertions" mentions `\textquoteright' with its
> meaning and the input (apostrophe). Maybe here would be the best place
> to mention the apostrophe. On the other hand, using an apostrophe does
> not automatically give the correct quotation mark. An example with
> german:
>
> \documentclass[border=10pt,ngerman]{standalone}
> \usepackage[utf8]{inputenc}
> \usepackage[T1]{fontenc}
> \usepackage{babel}
> \usepackage{csquotes}
> \begin{document}
> \textquoteright \enquote{dog \enquote{wombat} cat} bee' ’%U+2019
> \end{document}
>
> BTW: `\textquotedoubleright' just has a single char in the example
> input code in my version, can you guys check if it is corrected in the
> current dev version?
>
> On 02/21/2016 05:46 PM, Vincent Belaïche wrote:
>> In node « Math symbols » the text:
>>
>>     You can only use @code{\prime} in math mode.  Using the right single
>>     quote at domain.hid{'} in text mode produces a different character
>>     (apostrophe)
>>
>> should be in my opinion rephrased as:
>>
>>
>>      You can only use @code{\prime} in math mode.  Using the
>>     quote at domain.hid{'} in text mode produces a different character
>>     (right single quote or apostrophe)
>>
>>
>> Reason:
>>
>>     - « ' » in this context is a source code character, not an output
>>       glyph, and it is not specifically right side, for instance in bash
>>       you have « ' » on both sides, and in Lisp when quoting a symbol you
>>       have only one of them on the left side.
>>
>>     - In the output, the corresponding glyph, is AFAIK the same for right
>>       side single quote and apostrophe. so « (apostrophe) » is partially
>>       missing the target.
>>
>>     - Honestly, I would not mind just for the above reasons, but indeed
>>       it is difficult for me to translate the current text as is to
>>       French, because we use the English word « quote » when refering to
>>       the source code character and the phrase « guillemet anglais simple
>>       de droite » (litterally « right side single English quote ») when
>>       referring to « right side single quote ». We need to say
>>       « English » because the word « guillemet » which is the translation
>>       for « quote » by default refers to French quotes --- those that the
>>       English sometimes refer by using the French word
>>       « guillemet ».
>>
>> Feedback welcome...
>>
>> VBR,
>>     Vincent.
>>
>> Ps: Please note that the French word « guillemot » refers to a bird
>>      (https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillemot_%28oiseau%29), but in Adobe
>>      slang it was used for « guillemet », maybe a herd of flying
>>      guillemots look like a guillemet...
>>
>>
>>
>