FWD: Copy/Paste into Corel

[Michael Zedler]

admin   wrote:

>Hi Michael,
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>I decided to forward your email of question and problems so that we could have a lot of input to help resolve your problem.  I have not looked at todays mail in techsupport so I have no idea if your problem has been solved.
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>So here is the input from the author of Y&Y TeX Systems.
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>Regards,
>Blenda Horn.
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>At 2003-10-29  11:55, you wrote:
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>>---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
>>From: Michael Zedler <zedler at ei.tum.de>
>>Reply-To: Techsupport at yandy.com
>>Date:  Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:45:08 +0100
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>Sorry to hear about your problems.  For suggested solutions see end.
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>>I just ordered Y&Y-TeX in order to easily copy and paste formulae into
>>Powerpoint-presentations. Here, I've got a little problem:
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>>1) The Slides are not for me, they need to work on _any_ computer, both
>>PC and Mac (my bosses computer) -> no special fonts may be installed on
>>the system (it must work on a plain Mac/PC)
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>Well, that is not how PowerPoint works.  It does not "embed" things like fonts,
>instead referring to them by name so the operating system can find them.
>The one widely used distributable format that does embed fonts and images is
>crobat PDF.
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yep. see editability.

>>2) The Slides need to remain editable -> no conversion to pdf possible, either
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>(1) you can't edit the typeset math in PowerPoint since only TeX knows how
>to properly typeset math.
>2) You *can* edit material in Acrobat (the full product rather than the
>free Reader).
>(3) If you have to go back to TeX source at any point, no editing of any
>final product will
>do  any good since it can't be "decompiled" to produce modified TeX code.
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One formula takes up little space, lets say 5% of a slide. But there are
several formulae and text/arrows need to be added to the slides. The
formulas don't need to be editet, just moved around.

>>I thought of two solutions:
>>1) Use the pack&go feature or Powerpoint -> not possible, because only
>>ttf can be packed
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>Maybe MS should change that...
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:-)

>>2) a) Paste the formulae into CorelDraw/Illustrator/Freehand, let them
>>be converted to outlines/paths (making them basically line art;
>>eliminating references to fonts) and then, b) copy the converted formula
>>into Powerpoint -> pasting into the graphics program doesn't work; the
>>characters are scattered around -> useless
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>This is a function of the importing application.
>e material on the clipboard is flawless, as you can see in the "clipboard
>viewer"
>application (e.g. run c:\windows\system32\clipbrd.exe )
>or by pasting the material e.g. into MS Word.
>Unfortunately, because of faulty conversion to internal representation
>in some graphics applications, such as Adobe Illustrator, material from the
>clipboard gets rescaled and becomes unreadable. However, in the past
>Corel Draw did this correctly, only Illustrator messed it up.  Did you try it?
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I tried CorelDraw, Illustrator, Freehand. No success. In addition, if I
paste directly into PP and double-click to make it editable, things get
messed up, too.

>>3) Make screenshots from the pdf that contains the formulae -> my boss
>>can move them around and add text -> works, but quite clumsy, in
>>particular if he decides to magnify a formula. (And I don't need Y&Y then)
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>What application does your boss intend to use to edit?
>Presumably if the whole job is done in TeX you can't do anything
>with editing in any other application in any case.  Whatever
>editing happens will have to be repeated by hand in the original
>TeX code. Seems that that is the *real* problem.
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See above: editing=adding text/arrows+moving formulas around. No editing
of formulas. All to be done in PP. Acrobat (we have the full product) is
definitely a no-go.

>It seems infinitely easier to install fonts on your boss's computer so
>he/she can edit directly.  For disgtribution, you can then package up
>the whole thing in a portable way when editing has finished by turning
>it into Acrobat PDF.
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Nonononono :-) Boss=Mac. If fonts would have to be installed we'd rather
use screenshots.

>Note that there is *NO* way of displaying hairy math in PowerPoint
>without installing fonts, or patching in little images.  None of the
>fonts commonly available in windows are sufficient for handling math.
>This is, of course, not a problem that has anything to do with the TeX system.
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Well, doing so by screenshots actually works without a problem. The only
problem is magnifyability. And perhaps having a transparent (non-white)
background colour. That's why we bought Y&Y-TeX ;-)

>Hope this helps.
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Not yet, really.
Kind regards,
Michael Zedler

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