[XeTeX] XeTeX Digest, Vol 116, Issue 27
S. venkataraman
svenkat at ignou.ac.in
Tue Nov 26 05:56:07 CET 2013
Dear Zdenek Wagner,
There seems to be some confusion. I am
inputting directly. I am using Ligatures=TeX. Suren is the one who is
using
velthuis map. Please see my sample carefully.
Best regards,
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> Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 07:54:00 +0200
> From: Khaled Hosny <khaledhosny at eglug.org>
> To: "XeTeX (Unicode-based TeX) discussion." <xetex at tug.org>
> Subject: Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX Digest, Vol 116, Issue 25
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> On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 10:56:25AM +0530, S. venkataraman wrote:
> > This is XeTeX, Version 3.1415926-2.5-0.9999.3 (TeX Live 2013)
> > (format=xelatex 2013.6.27)
>
> This is latest released version indeed, please attach the PDF output you
> get.
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 11:09:36 +0100
> From: Zdenek Wagner <zdenek.wagner at gmail.com>
> To: "XeTeX (Unicode-based TeX) discussion." <xetex at tug.org>
> Subject: Re: [XeTeX] Problems in Devanagari typing.
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> 2013/11/25 bhutex <bhutex at gmail.com>:
> > If you see on XeTeX home page you can see my postings on Hindi and Telugu
> > languages.
> >
> > The fonts developed by C-DAC and freely distributed by the Indian
> Government
> > are not properly made. There were several errors. I reported it to the
> C-DAC
> > as well as to the GoI - Indian Language Technology Development groups.
> But
> > there is no response. After some pestering C-DAC people said their fonts
> are
> > very good and advised me to use Windows Word. There the matter stops.
> >
> > I tried with Mangal and it is working fine. I have not yet tried the
> other
> > Windows fonts like Aparajita, Utsah, Kokila.
> >
> You can also look at my page http://hroch486.icpf.cas.cz/xetex-test/
> I have just published the test using current TeX Live 2013, it is in
> directory tl2013-20130719
>
> The page served to me and to Steve White, you can see older revisions
> with different bugs that have already been fixed. You cat also get all
> the test files. Generally, I have large files and when I spot an
> error, I extract a minimal example. With each new version I rerun all
> tests. The files also compare FreeFont with other selected Devanagari
> fonts.
>
> > DVG
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 5:26 AM, Philip Taylor <P.Taylor at rhul.ac.uk>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Mike Maxwell wrote:
> >> > I'm having trouble understanding this:
> >> >
> >> >>> Am 24.11.2013 um 17:27 schrieb Khaled Hosny:
> >> >> ...The problem I had with Malayalam (Rachana Font) has been fixed
> >> >> after I updated it.
> >>
> >> I think you will find, on closer inspection, that it was actually
> >> NMPOST7 <nmpost7 at gmail.com> who schrieb'd the text in question.
> >>
> >> Philip Taylor
> >>
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> > ???? ?? ?? ??? ?? ???? ????
> > ?? ?? ???? ?? ?? ????????? ???????
> > ?? ????? ??? ??? ??? ??? ?? ?????? ??
> > ????????? ???????
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> Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 11:41:34 +0100
> From: Zdenek Wagner <zdenek.wagner at gmail.com>
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> 2013/11/25 S. venkataraman <svenkat at ignou.ac.in>:
> > Thanks folks for the response.
> > Dear Alastair,
> > Thanks for the tip. Annapurna font
> > seems to work perfectly. I haven't
> > gone through the entire document carefully.
> > The three words rendered correctly. There doesn't
> > seem to be any italic variant. However, regular and bold
> > are enough for me for the time being.
> > Dear Khaled,
> > Regarding the version of xetex I use, I have copied the line giving the
> > xetex version from
> > the log file.
> >
> > This is XeTeX, Version 3.1415926-2.5-0.9999.3 (TeX Live 2013)
> > (format=xelatex 2013.6.27)
> >
> >
> > Can you expand on the following remark?
> >
> >> The TECkit map is breaking the direct Unicode input, if I drop it the
> >> first line gets rendered correctly.
> > I am not using any TECkit mapping like velthuis or itrans. I am
> inputting
> > it directly.
> > Unless I have misunderstood it, Zdenek Wagner seems to be saying the
> > diametrically opposite thing.
>
> No, I say the same. The font definition in your file contains
> Mapping=velthuis-sanskrit which means that you use TECkit mapping.
> This map works in several steps. first it converts all characters from
> transliteration to Devanagari (k to ?, .n to ? etc). In the second
> step the vowels are properly set (dependent+independent). In the third
> step conjuncts are formed by replacing consonant+consonant by
> consonant+virama+consonant and the fourth step adds virama if the word
> ends in a consonant. The last step removes the inherent short "a". If
> you type ????????? in Devanagari, the following sequence of characters
> will be seen on the input:
>
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
>
> The first two steps will do nothing. The third step will see ?
> followed by ? and will insert virama. The fourth step will see a
> consonant at the end of the word and thus add a virama. The resulting
> sequence of characters will thus be:
>
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
>
> this is the very reason why half-kra will be formed because it exists
> but conjunct kr.n does not exist. You can see other errors if you
> specify Mapping=velthuis-sanskrit and input the text in Devanagari.
> Trust me, I am the author of this map.
>
> >>As Khaled wrote, it is the TECkit problem. The TECkit map assumes that
> >>the viramas were added as a result of the map and they are processed
> >>in several steps. If you enter the Devanagari text directly, it cannot
> >>work.
> > Dear Zdenek,
> >>It depends on the version of XeTeX and FreeFont. The shaping engine
> >>was changed in 2013 and the old versions of FreeFont (release
> >>2012-05-03) no longer works. You have to use the latest version from
> >>subversion at https://savannah.gnu.org/projects/freefont/
> >
> > There doesn't seem to be any official release of GNU freefont after 2012.
> > How do I get the latest version from the subversion? I can't find any
> > instructions and I am not familiar with svn.
> > Best,
> >
> Oh, I forgot that the repository contains just the sources, you have
> to run make which means that fontforge is needed too. I can share the
> fonts from my computer.
>
> To Steve: isn't it a good time for another release? The problem is
> that the latest release does not work with XeTeX in TeX Live 2013 at
> all but the latest svn revision works.
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 5:16 AM, <xetex-request at tug.org> wrote:
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> >> 1. Re: Problems in Devanagari typing. (Zdenek Wagner)
> >> 2. Re: Problems in Devanagari typing. (Khaled Hosny)
> >> 3. Re: Problems in Devanagari typing. (Zdenek Wagner)
> >> 4. Re: Problems in Devanagari typing. (Mike Maxwell)
> >>
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> >> Message: 1
> >> Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 19:04:53 +0100
> >> From: Zdenek Wagner <zdenek.wagner at gmail.com>
> >> To: "XeTeX (Unicode-based TeX) discussion." <xetex at tug.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [XeTeX] Problems in Devanagari typing.
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> >>
> >> 2013/11/24 S. venkataraman <svenkat at ignou.ac.in>:
> >> > I was looking for some free, unicode compliant,
> >> > devanagari font family that has regular, italic and bold variants. I
> >> > found
> >> > that aksharyogini, CDAC-GISTYogesh, FreeSans and FreeSerif
> >> > fit the bill. But, there are different problems with different fonts.
> >> > Here is a minimal example with the problems explained with comments.
> >> > Yogesh font is OK but
> >> > for the one problem.
> >> > Is there a free font with all the three variants that works
> >> > properly?
> >> > *********example file begins***************
> >> > \documentclass{article}
> >> > \usepackage{ifxetex}
> >> > \RequireXeTeX
> >> > \usepackage{fontspec}
> >> > \usepackage{xunicode}
> >> > \usepackage{xltxtra}
> >> > \newfontface\yogesh[Script=Devanagari,Ligatures=TeX]{CDAC-GISTYogesh}
> >> > \newfontface\aksharygni[Script=Devanagari,Ligatures=TeX]{Aksharyogini}
> >> > \newfontface\freeserif[Script=Devanagari,Ligatures=TeX]{FreeSerif}
> >> > \newfontface\freesans[Script=Devanagari,Ligatures=TeX]{FreeSans}
> >> > \begin{document}
> >> > \relax
> >> > {\yogesh ????????? ????-????? ????????}\\ %problem with the first
> word.
> >> > Repha is positioned wrongly.
> >> > {\aksharygni ????????? ????-????? ????????}\\ %problem with second
> >> > word.
> >> > dvi ligature is not correct.
> >> > {\freeserif ????????? ????-????? ????????}\\ %Problem with second and
> >> > third
> >> > words. dvi ligature is not correct and kri ligature is not correct.
> >> > {\freesans ????????? ????-????? ????????}\\ %kri ligature is not
> >> > correct.
> >> > \end{document}
> >>
> >> It depends on the version of XeTeX and FreeFont. The shaping engine
> >> was changed in 2013 and the old versions of FreeFont (release
> >> 2012-05-03) no longer works. You have to use the latest version from
> >> subversion at https://savannah.gnu.org/projects/freefont/
> >>
> >> This book was typeset with it using XeLaTeX from TeX Live 2013:
> >> http://icebearsoft.euweb.cz/ArunakashKaRasta/index-hi.php
> >>
> >> > **********************example file ends****************
> >> > Dr. S. Venkataraman
> >> > Associate Professor in Mathematics
> >> > School of Sciences
> >> > IGNOU
> >> > Tel. :29572812
> >> >
> >> >
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> >> http://icebearsoft.euweb.cz
> >>
> >>
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> >> Message: 2
> >> Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 20:07:35 +0200
> >> From: Khaled Hosny <khaledhosny at eglug.org>
> >> To: "XeTeX (Unicode-based TeX) discussion." <xetex at tug.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [XeTeX] Problems in Devanagari typing.
> >> Message-ID: <20131124180735.GB5092 at khaled-laptop>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >>
> >> On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 06:48:56PM +0100, NMPOST7 wrote:
> >> > On 24/11/2013 18:23, Khaled Hosny wrote:
> >> > > What version of XeTeX are you using? You don't seem to be using the
> >> > > latest version.
> >> >
> >> > I am using the latest version from MacTeX (TexLive 2013) but I do not
> >> > have the
> >> > Fonts mentioned here. I am using velthui mapping. That works out well
> >> > with the
> >> > transliteration.
> >> >
> >> > In the attached file the direct typing in Devanagari is the first
> >> > example. The
> >> > ligature is wrongly placed (the second syllable). The second line is
> >> > interpreted
> >> > correctly.
> >>
> >> The TECkit map is breaking the direct Unicode input, if I drop it the
> >> first line gets rendered correctly.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Khaled
> >>
> >>
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> >> Message: 3
> >> Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 19:26:26 +0100
> >> From: Zdenek Wagner <zdenek.wagner at gmail.com>
> >> To: "XeTeX (Unicode-based TeX) discussion." <xetex at tug.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [XeTeX] Problems in Devanagari typing.
> >> Message-ID:
> >>
> >> <CAC1phya8amM7ibTiRSUcS0c=TKC7zWOjMR+ayrHoSOHxmUgbQg at mail.gmail.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >>
> >> 2013/11/24 Khaled Hosny <khaledhosny at eglug.org>:
> >> > On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 06:48:56PM +0100, NMPOST7 wrote:
> >> >> On 24/11/2013 18:23, Khaled Hosny wrote:
> >> >> > What version of XeTeX are you using? You don't seem to be using the
> >> >> > latest version.
> >> >>
> >> >> I am using the latest version from MacTeX (TexLive 2013) but I do not
> >> >> have the
> >> >> Fonts mentioned here. I am using velthui mapping. That works out well
> >> >> with the
> >> >> transliteration.
> >> >>
> >> >> In the attached file the direct typing in Devanagari is the first
> >> >> example. The
> >> >> ligature is wrongly placed (the second syllable). The second line is
> >> >> interpreted
> >> >> correctly.
> >> >
> >> > The TECkit map is breaking the direct Unicode input, if I drop it the
> >> > first line gets rendered correctly.
> >> >
> >> As Khaled wrote, it is the TECkit problem. The TECkit map assumes that
> >> the viramas were added as a result of the map and they are processed
> >> in several steps. If you enter the Devanagari text directly, it cannot
> >> work. See my samples with FreeSans and FreeSerif. Notice, that
> >> FreeSans is usable for modern languages as Hindi, Marathi, Nepali, but
> >> not for Sanskrit while FreeSerif is usable for all of them provided
> >> you switch not only the script but also the language. Try to type
> >> ????? with both Language=Hindi and Language=Sanskrit. The difference
> >> should also be visible here:
> >> http://hroch486.icpf.cas.cz/freefont-devanagari/ (it works even on
> >> many web browsers).
> >>
> >> > Regards,
> >> > Khaled
> >> >
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> >> Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 18:46:29 -0500
> >> From: Mike Maxwell <maxwell at umiacs.umd.edu>
> >> To: "XeTeX (Unicode-based TeX) discussion." <xetex at tug.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [XeTeX] Problems in Devanagari typing.
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> >> I'm having trouble understanding this:
> >>
> >> >> Am 24.11.2013 um 17:27 schrieb Khaled Hosny:
> >> > ...The problem I had with Malayalam (Rachana Font) has been fixed
> after
> >> > I updated it.
> >>
> >> The "it" that got fixed = the font or XeTeX?
> >>
> >> > However TexShop does have problem with certain ligatures when it comes
> >> > to Malayalam. However, the
> >> > pdf renders the ligature correctly.
> >>
> >> I'm not understanding: are you saying that the screen view of TexShop is
> >> at fault, or the PDF
> >> produced by XeTeX when you use TeXShop?
> >>
> >> > Mr Venkataraman is facing a similar problem. Font. As we have seen the
> >> > problem is with ligatures.
> >>
> >> Perhaps you could be more specific?
> >> --
> >> Mike Maxwell
> >> maxwell at umiacs.umd.edu
> >> "My definition of an interesting universe is
> >> one that has the capacity to study itself."
> >> --Stephen Eastmond
> >>
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> >
> > --
> > Dr. S. Venkataraman
> > Associate Professor in Mathematics
> > School of Sciences
> > IGNOU
> > Tel. :29572812(o)
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