[UK-TUG] SEGM: UKTUG should separate getting the TeXlive DVD's from voting rights and obligations.

[paul sutton]

On 03/12/11 18:44, Jay Hammond wrote:
> UKTUG should separate getting the TeXlive DVD's from voting rights 
> and obligations.  TUG does. 
>
> Bobby Philips wrote on Dec 3rd 2011
>
> Dear Jay,
>
> I don't think non-voting members should be expelled. My own interest 
> in
> UKTUG arises from the TeX DVD that I receive annually and I have 
> neither
> the time nor the inclination to participate in UKTUG affairs more 
> deeply.
> I believe (and sincerely hope) that the small amount I contribute 
> goes
> towards improving TeX which has been created and distributed by the
> selfless work of hundreds of people. So, I am ready to go ahead with 
> the
> decision(s) of the chair and his dog.
>
> Regards,
>
> Bobby
>
> @Bobby Philips  and other DVD-only (I mean non-voting) members.
>
>
>
> Dear Bobby, 
>
> people in your position are valued and appreciated by UKTUG, its 
> committee, and even me.
>
> I think that UKTUG has valued your past financial contributions. I 
> believe it should continue to support your use of TeX. If that means 
> supplying you with a DVD, I'm all in favour of that too. You (we) 
> should pay a reasonable fee for the DVD. Perhaps a tenner? or even 
> less?  UKTUG is not going to hit the VAT threshold until we become 
> much more successful. That's not a short term problem.
>
> I appreciate your honesty in saying you don't want to vote at  UKTUG 
> general meetings. 
> I don't think you should have to. I think you should buy the annual  
> DVD from UKTUG and not be a voting member.  Every member on the books 
> increases the number required for the quorum. So every non-voting 
> member of UKTUG weakens UKTUG by their presence.  By being a member 
> and not voting you are giving power to those able to attend the 
> location of the resumed AGM. My proxy vote at the AGM did not count, 
> because the quorum was not reached. I would argue that because you 
> did not vote, you helped disenfranchise me. 
>
> So Bobby, I want (UKTUG) to support your use of TeX, and I want you 
> in turn to support UKTUG by voting or if you don't do that, I want 
> you to become a non-member and still  to arrange to obtain the DVD's. 
> I like the DVD's too. 
>
> What could those arrangements be?
>
> There could be a non-voting kind of member who gets the DVD's and 
> publications, but does not have a vote?
>
> UKTUG could manage a list of DVD subscribers who pay a fee for each 
> DVD, or who pay an annual fee to receive an update whenever it comes 
> out. 
>
> So Bobby and other non-voting members, do you have a preference for 
> either of these ideas, or a better suggestion?
>
> I'm happy to assist creating software to manage non-voting members or 
> subscriber list management if UKTUG would like me to do it. I may not 
> be 
> needed, probably a spreadsheet will be enough for a few hundred 
> members.
>
> Jay
>
>
> Jay Hammond
>
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My Local rugby club has a two tier membership, one is social the other
is full member, the latter are allowed to vote at the agm,  the former
can attend just can't vote.

Paul

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