[Tugindia] how to identify the page break without xdvi

[S. venkataraman]

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Sandip P Deshmukh [SMTP:deshmukh at escortsmumbai.com]
> Sent:	Friday, February 21, 2003 4:33 PM
> To:	TUGIndia Mailing List
> Subject:	Re: [Tugindia] how to identify the page break without
> xdvi
> 
> On Fri  Feb 21, 2003 at 11:21:17AM +0100, David Kastrup wrote:
> > Sandip P Deshmukh <deshmukh at escortsmumbai.com> writes:
> > 
> > > On Thu, Feb 20, 2003 at 10:25:44AM +0100, David Kastrup wrote:
> > > > Sandip P Deshmukh <deshmukh at escortsmumbai.com> writes:
> > > > 
> > > this specific question arose becuase i wanted to make sure that
> the last
> > > bullet or just two one line bullets do not go on the next page.
> this may
> > > not be standard but that is how i wanted it.
> > 
> > You must be aware what "\pagebreak" means: it means "no matter how
> bad
> > it looks, you make the page break here.  Even if we had a break two
> > lines before".  This is a bad idea since it entirely override's TeX
> > mechanism for making a good decision for a page break.  The way to
> do
> > it is to adjust TeX's mechanism for what it considers bad.  For
> > example, the normal page layout parameters specify very little
> > flexibility: pages should be filled, and TeX can manage mostly only
> by
> > adjusting inter-paragraph space a bit, but only if you separate your
> > paragraphs with adjustable space.  So it has little way of moving
> > large amounts of material around.  If you want to tell it "I'd
> rather
> > have my pages 4 lines short", you can.  \raggedbottom relaxes some
> of
> > that, and if you take a look at how it is defined, you can increase
> > the amount of material TeX is going to dare leave open at a page's
> > end.
> 
> i was using \newpage. i think it does somethin similar to \pagebreak -
> meaning, it breaks the page irrespctive of anything else. i think i
> need
> to take a look at raggedbottom. you are really introducing me to power
> i
> have never experienced earlier! just what did you mean when you said
> if
> you separate your paragraphs with adjustable space? i use \parindent
> in
> the preamble and i use \bigskip, \smallskip etc between two
> paragraphs.
> And the correct choice is something like this:
> 
> rather than having two one line bullet points on the next page, i
> would
> prefer to have this page upto four lines short.
> 
> > Then never say \pagebreak to suggest things, but the weaker
> > \pagebreak[1] to \pagebreak[3].  The default \pagebreak will break a
> > page even if TeX knows the break to be terrible (such as when just a
> > single line is on the page).
> 
> will take a look at this, too. several useful pointers - i must say
> and
> thanx a lot for all
> 
	Hi,
	Look at UK TUG FAQ.  There are very useful tips for controlling
pagination.
	I do not know the exact URL, but you can reach the page from
www.tex.ac.uk.
	You will find it very useful and informative.  It covers a wide
variety of topics.
	Regards,
	[S. venkataraman]