bibtex-1.0, or maybe not

[Mike Marchywka]

I missed a lot of the context ( and to help matters I'm top posting
since I'm in the browser right now lol ) but I have seen html
containing a lot of reference information and i guess you could put
machine readable citation information into a pdf file too.
Although even getting anyone to include machine readable 
bibtex for the document itself can be a problem
( the "url" is of course temporary but that is where software like toobib
can help and add the url used for the specific download ).

I try to include basic biblio info even when posting a link in a social media
post to make the title and author available for use to decide on click
and to survive url rot.

I've been using this ( although this is just a backup copy and I changed
it lately to takeout the warning generating line breaks in the pdf strings ),

https://github.com/mmarchywka/bibbtechs/tree/main/addbib

to put structured biblio info in the released pdf files. 

This is in a backup file for another manuscript I'm making and
should be up to date,

https://github.com/mmarchywka/copper/blob/main/mjmaddbib.tex

It wouldn't be hard to come up with something for every reference
and each entry in a work collection like a proceedings or journal. 
Hierarchy is common. 


 Mike Marchywka 
44 Crosscreek Trail
Jasper GA 30143
was 306 Charles Cox Drive  Canton, GA 30115
470-758-0799
404-788-1216 




________________________________________
From: texhax <texhax-bounces+marchywka=hotmail.com at tug.org> on behalf of Paulo Ney de Souza <pauloney at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2024 11:58 PM
To: Schneider, Thomas (NIH/NCI) [E]
Cc: texhax at tug.org; gray at nxg.name
Subject: Re: bibtex-1.0, or maybe not

The problem Thomas is that URL is ephemera.

Most used by the big publishers have session information in them and what is valid for you is not valid for me. My library offers me several URLs with access to content -- they all depend on my login.

CTAN has some manuals containing hundreds of URLs -- which NONE of them work. If you have a DOI, you have something, if you don't -- there is not a point in even using it. It may disappear before that guy that printed the article tries to get to it.

Paulo Ney


On Tue, May 21, 2024 at 7:49 PM Schneider, Thomas (NIH/NCI) [E] <schneidt at mail.nih.gov<mailto:schneidt at mail.nih.gov>> wrote:
Paulo:

> Displaying a URL in print is the same as walking around showing your
> underwear.

Well you could replace the \url{} inside the note with

\href{http ...}{my outer clothing}.

Then you will see your clothing and hide the unides.  I used to do
that but for scientific papers it is always best to provide the
explicit URL in the citations because sometimes people will physically
print the paper and the URL would be lost ... and they would hate the
author ...  However, using \href{}{} meant I was always duplicating
the URL.  So I switched all my references to \url{} and now I only
need to give it once.

Tom

  Thomas D. Schneider, Ph.D.
  Senior Investigator
  National Institutes of Health
  National Cancer Institute
  Center for Cancer Research
  RNA Biology Laboratory
  Biological Information Theory Group
  Frederick, Maryland  21702-1201
  schneidt at mail.nih.gov<mailto:schneidt at mail.nih.gov>
  https://ccr.cancer.gov/staff-directory/thomas-d-schneider
  alum.mit.edu/www/toms<http://alum.mit.edu/www/toms>
  https://alum.mit.edu/www/toms