[EXTERNAL] Re: TeX on Windows?

[AC]

Bam! Got it!

Some relevant links on this utf-8 problem are LaTeX2e News Issue 28[0] and this[1] LaTeX stackexchange answer that sent me to [0] in the first place.

Apparently, starting in 2018, special characters entered directly from the keyboard (like that fancy \226 hyphen thing) in documents that do not define an encoding generate an error under pdflatex.

Experiments:

(1) on the command line, run

pdflatex '\UseRawInputEncoding \input' dgn.tex

instead; no error, but no dash produced between 'Condon' and 'Shortley'.

(2) alternatively, add 

\UseRawInputEncoding

as the very first line of dgn.tex. Then just plain 

pdflatex dgn.tex

again doesn't error, bur again doesn't make the dash.

(3) finally, add

\usepackage[cp1252]{inputenc}

right after \documentclass. This time pdflatex will produce a document without erroring *and* render that fancy hyphen.
 
Conclusion: you can't just enter special characters from the keyboard. You need to produce them with TeX commands (like the \'e for accents, etc.) or specify an encoding to pass to inputenc.

---

References:

[0] https://www.latex-project.org/news/latex2e-news/ltnews28.pdf
[1] https://tex.stackexchange.com/a/429194/193209

On May 25, 2021 8:24:05 PM EDT, AC <achirvasub at gmail.com> wrote:
>On May 25, 2021 7:35:57 PM EDT, Robert Jantzen
><robert.jantzen at villanova.edu> wrote:
>>Hi Stuart,
>>
>>I cannot tell you how much I appreciate your help.
>>
>
>You bet! You'll always find enough computer geeks on these mailing
>lists who will do this out of sheer curiosity as to whether it works
>:).
>
>Now, about that UTF-8 error: the complaint is 
>
>Package inputenc Error: Invalid UTF-8 byte "96
>
>In a text editor, viewing the error jumps me to the following passage
>in your text:
>
>"The spherical harmonics are usually defined with an extra sign
>$(-1)^m$ called the Condon\226Shortley phase to make the ladder
>operator formulas simpler."
>
>It's that thing displayed in the source as \226 that's producing the
>error. I don't know what it was meant to be, but in the pdf I sent you
>it simply doesn't render: the text appears as the (obviously wrong)
>merged 'CondonShortley'.
>
>If it was meant to be a dash, maybe just make it a plain minus sign.
>
>On May 25, 2021 7:35:57 PM EDT, Robert Jantzen
><robert.jantzen at villanova.edu> wrote:
>>Hi Stuart,
>>
>>I cannot tell you how much I appreciate your help. I will install TeX
>>Live and try to reproduce your success and let everyone know.
>>
>>bob
>>
>>
>>bob jantzen
>>http://www34.homepage.villanova.edu/robert.jantzen/
>>http://www.drbobenterprises.com 
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Stuart Little <achirvasub at gmail.com> 
>>Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 7:23 PM
>>To: Robert Jantzen <robert.jantzen at villanova.edu>
>>Cc: texhax at tug.org; Philip Taylor <P.Taylor at Hellenic-Institute.Uk>; Dr
>>Alan Litchfield <alan at alphabyte.co.nz>
>>Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: TeX on Windows?
>>
>>On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 11:14:21PM +0000, Robert Jantzen wrote:
>>> My apologies, I thought I had saved it after correcting it, but I
>>saved it again after sending the cache message and then checked the
>>link to make sure it worked.
>>> 
>>> I appreciate your efforts to help me.
>>> 
>>
>>No worries.
>>
>>About the compilation: it was so fast because I had also unpacked the
>>converted-to-pdf images, so those were ready. Without unpacking those
>>the compilation still seems to have worked, but it took just a few
>>seconds longer. In any case, it produces a pdf with working
>>cross-references, as downloadable at the link I provided earlier.
>>
>>Here, too, is the gzipped and tarred working directory (with the
>images
>>placed properly in the 'images/' subdirectory, etc.):
>>
>>https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dropbox.com%2Fs%2Fvdke4p8s1kuax75%2Fdgn.tar.gz%3Fdl%3D0&data=04%7C01%7Crobert.jantzen%40villanova.edu%7C7fe7dfbb05e94667aa4608d91fd41ac8%7C765a8de5cf9444f09cafae5bf8cfa366%7C0%7C1%7C637575818113072811%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=VlMZF5Gn76VhiYuo8RVPgz1CXK3Xb9o8Bim6ZommRYU%3D&reserved=0
>>
>>This is for future reference, in case anyone else wants to try
>>compiling it. What you do is unpack that directory, move in, and
>>(assuming you have TeX Live) run 'pdflatex dgn.tex' a couple of times.
>>
>>> bob
>>> 
>>> 
>>> bob jantzen
>>> http://www34.homepage.villanova.edu/robert.jantzen/
>>>
>>https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.d
>>>
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>>>
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>>> doJVSwwaFlhtx12%2Fk2jJgiO8o562z4XVTj1npdcFCKk%3D&reserved=0
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: AC <achirvasub at gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 7:00 PM
>>> To: Robert Jantzen <robert.jantzen at villanova.edu>
>>> Cc: texhax at tug.org; Philip Taylor <P.Taylor at Hellenic-Institute.Uk>;
>>Dr 
>>> Alan Litchfield <alan at alphabyte.co.nz>
>>> Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: TeX on Windows?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On May 25, 2021 6:56:12 PM EDT, Robert Jantzen
>><robert.jantzen at villanova.edu> wrote:
>>> >It was your cache I think...??
>>> >
>>> 
>>> It was not: your "corrected" link still reads 'dngimages' (just look
>>back at the message; you don't have to take my word for it). 
>>> 
>>> I manually corrected it to 'dgnimages', so I know the cache was not
>>the issue.
>>> 
>>> >
>>> >bob jantzen
>>> >http://www34.homepage.villanova.edu/robert.jantzen/
>>>
>>>https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.
>>> >dr 
>>>
>>>bobenterprises.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7Crobert.jantzen%40villanova.e
>>> >du 
>>>
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>>> >
>>> >-----Original Message-----
>>> >From: Stuart Little <achirvasub at gmail.com>
>>> >Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 6:55 PM
>>> >To: Robert Jantzen <robert.jantzen at villanova.edu>
>>> >Cc: texhax at tug.org; Philip Taylor <P.Taylor at Hellenic-Institute.Uk>;
>
>>> >Dr Alan Litchfield <alan at alphabyte.co.nz>
>>> >Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: TeX on Windows?
>>> >
>>> >On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 10:41:25PM +0000, Robert Jantzen wrote:
>>> >> Sorry, I misspelled DifferentialGeometryNotes as dng instead of
>>dgn
>>> >in
>>> >> haste yesterday. I corrected it to
>>> >>
>>>
>>>http://www34.homepage.villanova.edu/robert.jantzen/notes/diffgeom/dng
>>> >i
>>> >> mages.zip
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >:D That's not correct though: it's still 'dng'! No worries though, 
>>> >since you explained what was wrong I simply corrected it and got
>the
>>
>>> >source.
>>> >
>>> >The file compiled in seconds on TeX Live 2021, with one 
>>> >*apparently*-show-stopping UTF-8 error that I simply clicked
>>'Return'
>>> >to bypass (I have not tried to debug). Does this look like it's 
>>> >worked fine? You can find the result at
>>> >
>>>
>>>https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww
>>> >.d 
>>>
>>>ropbox.com%2Fs%2Fv1zvklzaubu8b9j%2Fdgn.pdf%3Fdl%3D0&data=04%7C01%
>>> >7C
>>>
>>>robert.jantzen%40villanova.edu%7Cb9ce96f09da84b7e9e9508d91fd0d139%7C7
>>> >65 
>>>
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>>> >7C 
>>>
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>>> >
>>> >I should note, in that pdf I am able to navigate cross-links just 
>>> >fine (I can jump to table-of-contents items, or images, or
>whatever,
>>
>>> >by simply clicking the hyperlinks in the document).
>>> >
>>> >> I did not intend anyone to waste much time on this, but it is
>>> >frustrating that these different packages fail on me! I do have 
>>> >administrator access to my windows 10 machine.
>>> >> 
>>> >> bob
>>> >> 
>>> >> bob jantzen
>>> >> http://www34.homepage.villanova.edu/robert.jantzen/
>>> >>
>>>
>>>https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.
>>> >d
>>> >>
>>>
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>>> >e
>>> >>
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>>> >>
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>>> >=
>>> >> 716FZbaLulfB0fmyT%2FXFdKSvW8XK%2BZwgPCk6nOBhAt0%3D&reserved=0
>>> >> 
>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>> >> From: AC <achirvasub at gmail.com>
>>> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 6:35 PM
>>> >> To: texhax at tug.org; Robert Jantzen
><robert.jantzen at villanova.edu>;
>>
>>> >> Philip Taylor <P.Taylor at Hellenic-Institute.Uk>; Dr Alan
>Litchfield
>>
>>> >> <alan at alphabyte.co.nz>
>>> >> Cc: texhax at tug.org
>>> >> Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: TeX on Windows?
>>> >> 
>>> >> 
>>> >> 
>>> >> On May 25, 2021 6:03:40 PM EDT, Robert Jantzen
>>> ><robert.jantzen at villanova.edu> wrote:
>>> >> >This is my book:
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>>
>>>>http://www34.homepage.villanova.edu/robert.jantzen/notes/diffgeom/in
>>> >>d
>>> >> >ex .htm The complete LaTeX source consists of two zipped files
>>here:
>>> >>
>>>
>>>>http://www34.homepage.villanova.edu/robert.jantzen/notes/diffgeom/te
>>> >>x
>>> >> >di
>>> >> >stribution.htm
>>> >> >
>>> >> 
>>> >> If I visit this last link I get to a page that in turn points me
>>to
>>> >> 
>>> >> -
>>> >>
>>>
>>>http://www34.homepage.villanova.edu/robert.jantzen/notes/diffgeom/dgn
>>> >t
>>> >> exfiles2021.zip
>>> >> 
>>> >> -
>>> >>
>>>
>>>http://www34.homepage.villanova.edu/robert.jantzen/notes/diffgeom/dng
>>> >i
>>> >> mages.zip
>>> >> 
>>> >> and
>>> >> 
>>> >> -
>>> >>
>>>
>>>http://www34.homepage.villanova.edu/robert.jantzen/notes/diffgeom/dgn
>>> >i
>>> >> magesepspdf.zip
>>> >> 
>>> >> The second one of those, presumably, is supposed to contain
>>images. 
>>> >> Alas, it doesn't work: clicking it results in
>>> >> 
>>> >> Not Found
>>> >> 
>>> >> The requested URL /robert.jantzen/notes/diffgeom/dngimages.zip
>was
>>> >not found on this server.
>>> >> 
>>> >> Apache/2.2.15 (Oracle) Server at www34.homepage.villanova.edu
>Port
>>
>>> >> 80
>>> >> 
>>> >> ---
>>> >> 
>>> >> Ironic, given that abandoned websites came up in a companion
>>thread
>>> >not too long ago :).
>>> >> 
>>> >> >This folder contains also the "converted-to-pdf.pdf" image files
>>> >from
>>> >> >using MikTex Texworks or TexnicCenter (I cannot remember any
>more
>>
>>> >> >what I did back in the early teens of this decade):
>>> >>
>>>
>>>>http://www34.homepage.villanova.edu/robert.jantzen/notes/diffgeom/dg
>>> >>n
>>> >> >im
>>> >> >agesepspdf.zip
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Should I try Tex Live next?
>>> >> >
>>> >> >How is this possible? I really don't understand. Also how did
>you
>>
>>> >> >guys get my email shot in the dark at TUG?
>>> >> >
>>> >> >bob
>>> >> >
>>> >> >bob jantzen
>>> >> >http://www34.homepage.villanova.edu/robert.jantzen/
>>> >>
>>>
>>>>https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.
>>> >> >dr
>>> >>
>>>
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>>> >>e
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>>> >> >
>>> >> >From: Philip Taylor <P.Taylor at Hellenic-Institute.Uk>
>>> >> >Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 7:24 AM
>>> >> >To: Dr Alan Litchfield <alan at alphabyte.co.nz>; Robert Jantzen 
>>> >> ><robert.jantzen at villanova.edu>
>>> >> >Cc: texhax at tug.org
>>> >> >Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: TeX on Windows?
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Dr Alan Litchfield wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >[Download the iso image and] mount it onto your computer.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Not possible under Windows 7, Alan, unless additional software
>is
>>
>>> >> >installed.  But to Bob :
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >I have been happily using PCTeX all these years, and will
>>continue
>>> >to
>>> >> >do so but it seems like PCTeX has left us in the past two years
>>> >since
>>> >> >I communicated with someone there at the company. Does anyone
>>know 
>>> >> >what happened to them?
>>> >>
>>>
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>>> >> >website seems abandoned
>>> >> >Is there any other for pay product to replace it?
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Pass.  Although I used to pay for TeX back in the Kellerman & 
>>> >> >Smith days, I have not done so since then, and have never paid
>>for 
>>> >> >a PC version.  Many years ago the late, great, Sebastian Rahtz 
>>> >> >persuaded me to switch to TeX Live, and I have never looked
>back.
>> 
>>> >> >In the past
>>> >
>>> >> >I would use the network installer, or download and burn the ISO,
>
>>> >> >or download and mount the ISO, but these days I use Rsynch to 
>>> >> >fetch the
>>> >
>>> >> >installation suite and install from my local copy.  The real 
>>> >> >problem
>>> >
>>> >> >is that TeX Live is not a Windows product - it is a generic 
>>> >> >product that has to support $2^n+1$ variant operating systems
>>(how 
>>> >> >many different ways can you spell "Linux" ?), and as a result
>the
>>
>>> >> >documentation too has to be generic, which is distinctly
>>> >sub-optimal.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >I am certain that together the TeX user community will be able
>to
>>
>>> >> >assist you, but some background information will be vital, and
>it
>>
>>> >> >will almost certainly take several iterations before we achieve 
>>> >> >complete success.  So, questions :
>>> >> >
>>> >> >  1.  Exactly which operating system are you running  2.  Are
>you
>>
>>> >> > able to access your computer as am administrator 3.
>>> >Do
>>> >> >you have fast Internet access from your computer ?  (where
>"fast"
>>
>>> >> >=>
>>> >
>>> >> >better than 10Mbps) ?
>>> >> >
>>> >> >And to my fellow TeX and Windows users - given that one can 
>>> >> >install (for example) Windows 7 from a USB stick, using the 
>>> >> >Microsoft
>>> >Windows
>>> >> >USB/DVD download
>>> >>
>>>
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>>> >> >an
>>> >
>>> >> >analogous methodology could be used to install TeX Live from a
>>USB 
>>> >> >stick for people such as Bob who lack a DVD reader ?
>>> >> >--
>>> >> >Philip Taylor