[EXTERNAL] Re: TeX on Windows?

[Robert Jantzen]

Hi Stuart,

I cannot tell you how much I appreciate your help. I will install TeX Live and try to reproduce your success and let everyone know.

bob


bob jantzen
http://www34.homepage.villanova.edu/robert.jantzen/
http://www.drbobenterprises.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart Little <achirvasub at gmail.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 7:23 PM
To: Robert Jantzen <robert.jantzen at villanova.edu>
Cc: texhax at tug.org; Philip Taylor <P.Taylor at Hellenic-Institute.Uk>; Dr Alan Litchfield <alan at alphabyte.co.nz>
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: TeX on Windows?

On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 11:14:21PM +0000, Robert Jantzen wrote:
> My apologies, I thought I had saved it after correcting it, but I saved it again after sending the cache message and then checked the link to make sure it worked.
> 
> I appreciate your efforts to help me.
> 

No worries.

About the compilation: it was so fast because I had also unpacked the converted-to-pdf images, so those were ready. Without unpacking those the compilation still seems to have worked, but it took just a few seconds longer. In any case, it produces a pdf with working cross-references, as downloadable at the link I provided earlier.

Here, too, is the gzipped and tarred working directory (with the images placed properly in the 'images/' subdirectory, etc.):

https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dropbox.com%2Fs%2Fvdke4p8s1kuax75%2Fdgn.tar.gz%3Fdl%3D0&data=04%7C01%7Crobert.jantzen%40villanova.edu%7C7fe7dfbb05e94667aa4608d91fd41ac8%7C765a8de5cf9444f09cafae5bf8cfa366%7C0%7C1%7C637575818113072811%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=VlMZF5Gn76VhiYuo8RVPgz1CXK3Xb9o8Bim6ZommRYU%3D&reserved=0

This is for future reference, in case anyone else wants to try compiling it. What you do is unpack that directory, move in, and (assuming you have TeX Live) run 'pdflatex dgn.tex' a couple of times.

> bob
> 
> 
> bob jantzen
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: AC <achirvasub at gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 7:00 PM
> To: Robert Jantzen <robert.jantzen at villanova.edu>
> Cc: texhax at tug.org; Philip Taylor <P.Taylor at Hellenic-Institute.Uk>; Dr 
> Alan Litchfield <alan at alphabyte.co.nz>
> Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: TeX on Windows?
> 
> 
> 
> On May 25, 2021 6:56:12 PM EDT, Robert Jantzen <robert.jantzen at villanova.edu> wrote:
> >It was your cache I think...??
> >
> 
> It was not: your "corrected" link still reads 'dngimages' (just look back at the message; you don't have to take my word for it). 
> 
> I manually corrected it to 'dgnimages', so I know the cache was not the issue.
> 
> >
> >bob jantzen
> >http://www34.homepage.villanova.edu/robert.jantzen/
> >https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.
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> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Stuart Little <achirvasub at gmail.com>
> >Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 6:55 PM
> >To: Robert Jantzen <robert.jantzen at villanova.edu>
> >Cc: texhax at tug.org; Philip Taylor <P.Taylor at Hellenic-Institute.Uk>; 
> >Dr Alan Litchfield <alan at alphabyte.co.nz>
> >Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: TeX on Windows?
> >
> >On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 10:41:25PM +0000, Robert Jantzen wrote:
> >> Sorry, I misspelled DifferentialGeometryNotes as dng instead of dgn
> >in
> >> haste yesterday. I corrected it to
> >>
> >http://www34.homepage.villanova.edu/robert.jantzen/notes/diffgeom/dng
> >i
> >> mages.zip
> >>
> >
> >:D That's not correct though: it's still 'dng'! No worries though, 
> >since you explained what was wrong I simply corrected it and got the 
> >source.
> >
> >The file compiled in seconds on TeX Live 2021, with one 
> >*apparently*-show-stopping UTF-8 error that I simply clicked 'Return'
> >to bypass (I have not tried to debug). Does this look like it's 
> >worked fine? You can find the result at
> >
> >https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww
> >.d 
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> >
> >I should note, in that pdf I am able to navigate cross-links just 
> >fine (I can jump to table-of-contents items, or images, or whatever, 
> >by simply clicking the hyperlinks in the document).
> >
> >> I did not intend anyone to waste much time on this, but it is
> >frustrating that these different packages fail on me! I do have 
> >administrator access to my windows 10 machine.
> >> 
> >> bob
> >> 
> >> bob jantzen
> >> http://www34.homepage.villanova.edu/robert.jantzen/
> >>
> >https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.
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> >> 
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: AC <achirvasub at gmail.com>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 6:35 PM
> >> To: texhax at tug.org; Robert Jantzen <robert.jantzen at villanova.edu>; 
> >> Philip Taylor <P.Taylor at Hellenic-Institute.Uk>; Dr Alan Litchfield 
> >> <alan at alphabyte.co.nz>
> >> Cc: texhax at tug.org
> >> Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: TeX on Windows?
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On May 25, 2021 6:03:40 PM EDT, Robert Jantzen
> ><robert.jantzen at villanova.edu> wrote:
> >> >This is my book:
> >> >
> >>
> >>http://www34.homepage.villanova.edu/robert.jantzen/notes/diffgeom/in
> >>d
> >> >ex .htm The complete LaTeX source consists of two zipped files here:
> >>
> >>http://www34.homepage.villanova.edu/robert.jantzen/notes/diffgeom/te
> >>x
> >> >di
> >> >stribution.htm
> >> >
> >> 
> >> If I visit this last link I get to a page that in turn points me to
> >> 
> >> -
> >>
> >http://www34.homepage.villanova.edu/robert.jantzen/notes/diffgeom/dgn
> >t
> >> exfiles2021.zip
> >> 
> >> -
> >>
> >http://www34.homepage.villanova.edu/robert.jantzen/notes/diffgeom/dng
> >i
> >> mages.zip
> >> 
> >> and
> >> 
> >> -
> >>
> >http://www34.homepage.villanova.edu/robert.jantzen/notes/diffgeom/dgn
> >i
> >> magesepspdf.zip
> >> 
> >> The second one of those, presumably, is supposed to contain images. 
> >> Alas, it doesn't work: clicking it results in
> >> 
> >> Not Found
> >> 
> >> The requested URL /robert.jantzen/notes/diffgeom/dngimages.zip was
> >not found on this server.
> >> 
> >> Apache/2.2.15 (Oracle) Server at www34.homepage.villanova.edu Port 
> >> 80
> >> 
> >> ---
> >> 
> >> Ironic, given that abandoned websites came up in a companion thread
> >not too long ago :).
> >> 
> >> >This folder contains also the "converted-to-pdf.pdf" image files
> >from
> >> >using MikTex Texworks or TexnicCenter (I cannot remember any more 
> >> >what I did back in the early teens of this decade):
> >>
> >>http://www34.homepage.villanova.edu/robert.jantzen/notes/diffgeom/dg
> >>n
> >> >im
> >> >agesepspdf.zip
> >> >
> >> >Should I try Tex Live next?
> >> >
> >> >How is this possible? I really don't understand. Also how did you 
> >> >guys get my email shot in the dark at TUG?
> >> >
> >> >bob
> >> >
> >> >bob jantzen
> >> >http://www34.homepage.villanova.edu/robert.jantzen/
> >>
> >>https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.
> >> >dr
> >>
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> >> >From: Philip Taylor <P.Taylor at Hellenic-Institute.Uk>
> >> >Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 7:24 AM
> >> >To: Dr Alan Litchfield <alan at alphabyte.co.nz>; Robert Jantzen 
> >> ><robert.jantzen at villanova.edu>
> >> >Cc: texhax at tug.org
> >> >Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: TeX on Windows?
> >> >
> >> >Dr Alan Litchfield wrote:
> >> >
> >> >[Download the iso image and] mount it onto your computer.
> >> >
> >> >Not possible under Windows 7, Alan, unless additional software is 
> >> >installed.  But to Bob :
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >I have been happily using PCTeX all these years, and will continue
> >to
> >> >do so but it seems like PCTeX has left us in the past two years
> >since
> >> >I communicated with someone there at the company. Does anyone know 
> >> >what happened to them?
> >>
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> >> >website seems abandoned
> >> >Is there any other for pay product to replace it?
> >> >
> >> >Pass.  Although I used to pay for TeX back in the Kellerman & 
> >> >Smith days, I have not done so since then, and have never paid for 
> >> >a PC version.  Many years ago the late, great, Sebastian Rahtz 
> >> >persuaded me to switch to TeX Live, and I have never looked back.  
> >> >In the past
> >
> >> >I would use the network installer, or download and burn the ISO, 
> >> >or download and mount the ISO, but these days I use Rsynch to 
> >> >fetch the
> >
> >> >installation suite and install from my local copy.  The real 
> >> >problem
> >
> >> >is that TeX Live is not a Windows product - it is a generic 
> >> >product that has to support $2^n+1$ variant operating systems (how 
> >> >many different ways can you spell "Linux" ?), and as a result the 
> >> >documentation too has to be generic, which is distinctly
> >sub-optimal.
> >> >
> >> >I am certain that together the TeX user community will be able to 
> >> >assist you, but some background information will be vital, and it 
> >> >will almost certainly take several iterations before we achieve 
> >> >complete success.  So, questions :
> >> >
> >> >  1.  Exactly which operating system are you running  2.  Are you 
> >> > able to access your computer as am administrator 3.
> >Do
> >> >you have fast Internet access from your computer ?  (where "fast" 
> >> >=>
> >
> >> >better than 10Mbps) ?
> >> >
> >> >And to my fellow TeX and Windows users - given that one can 
> >> >install (for example) Windows 7 from a USB stick, using the 
> >> >Microsoft
> >Windows
> >> >USB/DVD download
> >>
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> >> >an
> >
> >> >analogous methodology could be used to install TeX Live from a USB 
> >> >stick for people such as Bob who lack a DVD reader ?
> >> >--
> >> >Philip Taylor