[tex-live] \"\i causes problems with texlive 2015
lutz.kruschwitz at gmail.com
Sun Jun 14 22:40:31 CEST 2015
This is once again the guy who uses to bother some people by asking stupid
questions. This time I am attaching two short files that - hopefully - help
you to reconstruct my problem. Lutz.
2015-06-14 20:36 GMT+02:00 Zdenek Wagner <zdenek.wagner at gmail.com>:
> 2015-06-14 19:29 GMT+02:00 Philip Taylor <P.Taylor at rhul.ac.uk>:
> > Norbert Preining wrote:
> >> On Sun, 14 Jun 2015, Philip Taylor wrote:
> >>> Am I alone in longing for a return to the days when TeXhax was a
> >> Phil, this is 1) not texhax
> > Agreed. Mea culpa.
> >> 2) people here are friendly, but expect a certain level of
> >> cooperation
> > If the TeX-Live list is "friendly", then I would hate to participate in
> > one that is unfriendly. There are a few invariably friendly contributors
> > (and I single out Akira-san as a paragon of politeness, although a few
> > others get very close), but unfortunately there are also a number of
> > contributors who can be relied upon to be acerbic, aggressive, abrasive
> > and intolerant.
> >> 3) we are not here to fulfil your very specific expectations.
> > There is no "we"; there are people with problems, and people who can
> > help with those problems. Some unfailingly attempt to do so in a
> > friendly and helpful manner; some usually attempt to help in such a
> > manner, but become exasperated when the information they seek is not
> > forthcoming, or when they believe (rightly or wrongly) that the
> > questioner is not understanding their replies, and allow that
> > exasperation to come through in their replies; and there are some who
> > simply make me ashamed to be a member of this community.
> This is becoming a problem of many forums. People searching help think
> that all other people are clairvoyants who are able to answer even
> questions that have not been asked. What I have seen is that a problem
> was mentioned without presenting the real code. Other people claimed
> that similar code runs perfectly. Then instead of presenting the
> failing code some software tools were deliberatelly declared buggy
> without demonstrating a bug. Do you consider such behaviour as
> searching for help?
> It happend to me that someone asked me for help. I wanted to see a
> demonstratin of the bug and I received 300+ pages of code. I have
> never answered, I have no time to read 300+ pages. I have also
> received a bug report. I asked for a sample and I received about 50
> lines of code. It took me some time but I was able to find the source
> of the problem and I helped. In the third case I got to know that
> someone says that my package does not work aty all. I contacted that
> person, asked for a sample code and found a clash with another
> package. I have modified my package and the problem disappeared. Cases
> 2 and 3 were useful both for me and for the person seeking help. Now,
> am I impolite because I refused to read 300+ pages of code in my
> leisure time?
> What can we do if the failing code is not presented? If you can, it is
> your turn to show that you are more polite and answer. However, I have
> not seen your answer either. If you look at any bugzilla, you will see
> that the instructions say that it is necessary to give an exact
> sequence of steps to reproduce the error. It is not possible to help
> without these steps.
> >> And from now please stop calling other members who try to explain and
> >> help strange names.
> > You must be confusing me with someone else -- I have called no-one
> > names, strange or otherwise. I have simply expressed a heartfelt wish
> > that all questions should be answered with politeness and respect, a
> > wish that in two occasions in the last 24 hours has been honoured more
> > in the breach than in the observance.
> > What I believe is that before anyone posts a reply, they should apply
> > the "bnb" test : that is, they should re-read their words and then ask
> > themselves "would Barbara Beeton, who has helped more TeX users than
> > most of us have had hot dinners, have written what I am about to
> > post ?". If the answer is "no", then it should not be sent -- it should
> > be re-written it in a /helpful/ way that neither sets out to demonstrate
> > that the question/questioner is stupid, nor sets out to demonstrate the
> > author's intellectual superiority.
> >> You are helping the community much less with your useless comments
> >> than Reinhard with his trial to explain everything.
> > I hear your opinion; I prefer to leave the judgement to those whose
> > opinions I respect.
> > ** Phil.
> Zdeněk Wagner
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