[tex-hyphen] Fwd: new Catalan hyphenation patterns

Gonçal Badenes goncal.badenes at icfo.es
Thu Dec 20 11:34:17 CET 2012


from my side, there is no problem in having the hyphenation patterns 
that I created some 20 years ago replaced by newer ones, provided they 
are superior. Although the details are fading out, I remember creating 
them on the basis of the rules of a well-known grammar book and checking 
them against the dictionary, with no errors detected. I'm not sure that 
having the possibility of setting (left,right)-hyphenmin to (1,1) is a 
real advantage ;)

In any case, I would also like to know which words were not properly 
hyphenated with the old set.


     Gonçal Badenes

On 19/12/2012 17:18, Jaume Ortolà i Font wrote:
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Mojca Miklavec <mojca.miklavec.lists at gmail.com>
> Date: 2012/12/19
> Subject: Re: [tex-hyphen] new Catalan hyphenation patterns
> To: "About TeX hyphenation patterns." <tex-hyphen at tug.org>
> Cc: Gonçal Badenes <g.badenes at ieee.org>
> Hello,
> thank you very much for your contribution. Just a few more question:
> 1.) Is it possible to include the list of words from that dictionary
> into our repository or is the dictionary closed source?
> 2.) Do you have any list of words that aren't hyphenated properly with
> the old set of patterns? A list of differences would be very helpful.
> 3.) One thing that I would like to avoid is having multiple
> hyphenation patterns in the repository. From that perspective I would
> be very very very grateful if Gonçal Badenes, the author of original
> patterns, would provide some feedback, and if you could both agree
> about which patterns are de-facto superior (maybe he also has some
> suggestions about your list). The reason why this is so important is
> that people will continue to use \usepackage[catalan]{babel} (or
> whatever alternative they use to load Catalan patterns) and we would
> either have to drop the old patterns and replace them with yours. Or
> create a new language name (\usepackage[catalannew]{babel} or
> something obscure like this) which people won't be using at the end.
> If we choose to replace the old patterns it would be very nice to have
> the original author's blessing.
> So - is there any chance to get some feedback from the original author?
> Mojca
> On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 9:52 AM, Jaume Ortolà i Font wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I have created a new Catalan hyphenation file (see attachment).
>> The new patterns have been checked against a dictionary (Gran Diccionari de
>> la Llengua Catalana, Enciclopèdia Catalana, www.diccionari.cat), with 100%
>> valid results. The patterns cover all the exceptions, except for one word
>> that can be hyphenated in two ways depending on its meaning (àcid
>> per-iò-dic, un pe-ri-ò-dic). There remain a dozen rare words that are
>> unclear even for the mentioned dictionary redactors, which I have consulted.
>> (left,right)-hyphenmin can be now (1,1), which allows valid hyphenations
>> like "l'e-mulació", although "e-mulació" is generally undesirable and
>> avoided.
>> The current Catalan hyphenation file contains 895 patterns, and the new one
>> 1499.
>> Please, mention my contribution as "Jaume Ortolà i Font, 2012
>> (www.riuraueditors.cat), jaumeortola at gmail.com".
>> These patterns are already being distributed in other formats
>> (Libre/OpenOffice).
>> Regards,
>> Jaume Ortolà
>> www.riuraueditors.cat

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