[OS X TeX] Re: MacOSX-TeX Digest #1762 - 06/15/06

Ben Tipping btipping at fas.harvard.edu
Sun Jun 18 16:08:55 CEST 2006


I will be out of my office from 8 June 2006 to 20 June 2006 inclusive.

On Jun 15, 2006, at 8:00 PM, "TeX on Mac OS X Mailing List" 
<MacOSX-TeX at email.esm.psu.edu> wrote:

> MacOSX-TeX Digest #1762 - Thursday, June 15, 2006
>
>   [ANN] BibDesk 1.2.7
>           by "Adam R. Maxwell" <amaxwell at mac.com>
>   three characters : one geometric, two domino-like
>           by <delanoy at math.univ-lyon1.fr>
>   select column of text in TeXShop
>           by "Jan Hegewald" <rurapente at gmx.de>
>   Re: [OS X TeX] select column of text in TeXShop
>           by "Bob Kerstetter" <bkerstetter at mac.com>
>   Re: [OS X TeX] Two Texshop requests
>           by "Jan Hegewald" <rurapente at gmx.de>
>   Re: [OS X TeX] How to use cmr-super ?
>           by "Alain Matthes" <alain.matthes at mac.com>
>   Re: [OS X TeX] How to use cmr-super ?
>           by "Herbert Schulz" <herbs at wideopenwest.com>
>   Re: [OS X TeX] How to use cmr-super ?
>           by "Frank STENGEL" <fstengel at mac.com>
>   Re: [OS X TeX] How to use cmr-super ?
>           by "Peter Dyballa" <Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE>
>   Re: [OS X TeX] select column of text in TeXShop
>           by "Peter Dyballa" <Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE>
>   Re: [OS X TeX] select column of text in TeXShop
>           by "Bob Kerstetter" <bkerstetter at mac.com>
>   Fwd: [Bibdesk-users] Export templates for nightly build users
>           by "Adam R. Maxwell" <amaxwell at mac.com>
>   Re: [OS X TeX] How to use cmr-super ?
>           by "Alain Matthes" <alain.matthes at mac.com>
>   Re: [OS X TeX] OT: But what suggestions do TeXShop users have for 
> collabo
>           by "Alain Schremmer" <Schremmer.Alain at gmail.com>
>   Re: [OS X TeX] Need applescript
>           by "Alain Schremmer" <Schremmer.Alain at gmail.com>
>   Re: [OS X TeX] OT: But what suggestions do TeXShop users have for 
> collabo
>           by "Jung-Tsung Shen" <jushen at gmail.com>
>   Re: [OS X TeX] OT: But what suggestions do TeXShop users have for 
> collabo
>           by "Jung-Tsung Shen" <jushen at gmail.com>
>   Re: [OS X TeX] Need applescript
>           by "George Gratzer" <gratzer at ms.umanitoba.ca>
>   Re: [OS X TeX] Need applescript
>           by "Chris Goedde" <cgoedde at condor.depaul.edu>
>   Re: [OS X TeX] OT: But what suggestions do TeXShop users have for 
> collabo
>           by "Claus Gerhardt" <gerhardt at math.uni-heidelberg.de>
>   Re: [OS X TeX] OT: But what suggestions do TeXShop users have for 
> collabo
>           by "George Gratzer" <gratzer at ms.umanitoba.ca>
>   Re: [OS X TeX] Need applescript
>           by "George Gratzer" <gratzer at ms.umanitoba.ca>
>   Re: [OS X TeX] ISO Help - Getting PDF Fonts Right
>           by "Jeffrey Weimer" <weimerj at email.uah.edu>
>   Re: [OS X TeX] Need applescript
>           by "Alain Schremmer" <Schremmer.Alain at gmail.com>
>   Re: [OS X TeX] Need applescript
>           by "Gary L. Gray" <gray at engr.psu.edu>
>   Re: [OS X TeX] OT: But what suggestions do TeXShop users have for 
> collabo
>           by "Jung-Tsung Shen" <jushen at gmail.com>
>   Re: [OS X TeX] Need applescript
>           by "George Gratzer" <gratzer at ms.umanitoba.ca>
>   Re: [OS X TeX] Need applescript
>           by "Gary L. Gray" <gray at engr.psu.edu>
>   TeXShop 2.09 crash
>           by "Wolfgang Schmidle" <Wolfgang.Schmidle at sunderland.ac.uk>
>   Re: [OS X TeX] TeXShop 2.09 crash
>           by "Chris Goedde" <cgoedde at condor.depaul.edu>
>   Re: [OS X TeX] TeXShop 2.09 crash
>           by "Gary L. Gray" <gray at engr.psu.edu>
>   Re: [OS X TeX] TeXShop 2.09 crash
>           by "Wolfgang Schmidle" <Wolfgang.Schmidle at sunderland.ac.uk>
>   Re: [OS X TeX] TeXShop 2.09 crash
>           by "Wolfgang Schmidle" <Wolfgang.Schmidle at sunderland.ac.uk>
>   Re: [OS X TeX] TeXShop 2.09 crash
>           by "Gary L. Gray" <gray at engr.psu.edu>
>   Re: [OS X TeX] TeXShop 2.09 crash
>           by "Wolfgang Schmidle" <Wolfgang.Schmidle at sunderland.ac.uk>
>   Re: [OS X TeX] TeXShop 2.09 crash
>           by "Chris Goedde" <cgoedde at condor.depaul.edu>
>   Re: [OS X TeX] TeXShop 2.09 crash
>           by "Herbert Schulz" <herbs at wideopenwest.com>
>   Re: [OS X TeX] TeXShop 2.09 crash
>           by "Wolfgang Schmidle" <Wolfgang.Schmidle at sunderland.ac.uk>
>   foo and foo-sys
>           by "Gerben Wierda" <Gerben.Wierda at rna.nl>
>   Re: [OS X TeX] TeXShop 2.09 crash
>           by "Chris Goedde" <cgoedde at condor.depaul.edu>
>   Re: [OS X TeX] TeXShop 2.09 crash
>           by "Jon Guyer" <jguyer at his.com>
>   Re: [OS X TeX] foo and foo-sys
>           by "Herbert Schulz" <herbs at wideopenwest.com>
>   Re: [OS X TeX] TeXShop 2.09 crash
>           by "Wolfgang Schmidle" <Wolfgang.Schmidle at sunderland.ac.uk>
>   Re: [OS X TeX] TeXShop 2.09 crash
>           by "Herbert Schulz" <herbs at wideopenwest.com>
>   Re: [OS X TeX] TeXShop 2.09 crash
>           by "Jon Guyer" <jguyer at his.com>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: [ANN] BibDesk 1.2.7
> From: "Adam R. Maxwell" <amaxwell at mac.com>
> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 21:02:22 -0700
>
> The BibDesk development team is pleased to announce that BibDesk
> 1.2.7 is now available at <http://bibdesk.sourceforge.net/>.  Once
> again, there are many new features added and bugs fixed in this
> release, and we encourage you to update as soon as possible.
>
> Please submit bug reports to our tracker at <https://sourceforge.net/
> tracker/?group_id=61487&atid=497423>.  Thanks to those of you who
> have suggested new features and improvements, as well as tested our
> nightly builds!  Detailed release notes follow, in case you think I'm
> kidding about the number of changes.
>
> New Features
>    *  Static groups; you can now group arbitrary publications
> together and save them in your file
>    *  Newlines and whitespace are now removed when pasting text into
> fields (RFE #1480354)
>    *  Menu action to merge shared items into your bibliography file
> (without introducing duplicates)
>    *  Added a search field and spotlight effect to the preferences
> window (Tiger only)
>    *  New action menu below the group tableview
>    *  Text template export preferences added, so multiple HTML (or
> other) templates can be saved in named sets (RFE #1488232)
>    *  Templates for Services added, for flexible reference insertion
>    *  Added toolbar items to editor for deleting a publication or
> adding one using a crossref (RFE #1221956)
>    *  Added alternate action to "New" toolbar item for creating a new
> item with crossref (use option key)
>    *  Document info can be added as a special BibTeX type (accessible
> to citekey/autofile format strings with %i{Key})
>    *  The title field of the inbook type should be handled better in
> format strings (RFE #1417581)
>    *  Crossref items can now be created by holding down the option key
>
> Bugs Fixed
>    *  Change status line when a shared group is selected
>    *  PubMed IP tag is now used for number
>    *  Groub tableview highlighting should be significantly more
> efficient (fixed a beachball)
>    *  Added some thread safe file manager methods for Spotlight/
> webloc/TeX
>    *  Smart group conditions now display in a scroll view
>    *  Finder comments are now preserved when copying/moving files
> (workaround for Apple bug)
>    *  Fix bug #1479345; ensure that edits are committed before
> closing the add-field sheet, since people have never learned how to
> end editing on a cell
>    *  Fix crash when using a global macro definition file (bug 
> #1490486)
>    *  Ensure that search for temporary cite keys is performed
> whenever opening a file with temp keys
>    *  Fix bug #1479970; use correct pref key for checkbox
>    *  Added a hack to work around an Apple bug in Tiger that breaks
> typing in the "Open Using Filter" dialog (bug #1480815)
>    *  Fix bug #1481678; select all docs for error filtering when
> closing a document
>    *  Fix bug #1482852; loading a document with a very large number
> of macros can run the parser out of memory (ugh!).  The limit is now
> higher and a useful error will be logged.
>    *  Set flag in ILCrashReporter to allow quitting; hopefull will
> eliminate the zombie crash reporter processes
>    *  Fixed bug that caused the file content search tableview to use
> the wrong font, even after changing it manually
>    *  Fixed memory leak in URL parsing code for abstract/annote text
> views
>    *  Fixed bug #1483613; crash when changing font in abstract/annote
> that occurred if you edited an abstract/annote, close the window,
> then opened another editor and changed the font.
>    *  Local-Url relative path is now handled correctly (thanks to
> Christian Jacobsen for the patch!)
>    *  Fixed status message when duplicates selected
>    *  Crossref menu items are now disabled when selecting shared items
>    *  Fixed sorting of "Author or Editor" columns
>    *  Fixed bug #1489184; empty index set could lead to a beachball
>    *  Revised update checking code to use NSURLConnection, which is
> hopefully less crash-prone than
> CFURLCreateDataAndPropertiesFromResource on authenticated network
> connections (bug #1489057)
>    *  Edit selected field in temporary typeahead mode when using
> command key modifier
>    *  Remove control and illegal characters when entering text in the
> editor (bug #1481675)
>    *  Empty strings are no longer accepted as quick search fields
>    *  Conversion of pdf to text now displays a message when it fails,
> instead of just doing nothing
>    *  Service lookup now recognizes any of "citekey, cite key, cite-
> key, or key" case-insensitively
>    *  Icon columns are now sorted as empty/non-empty instead of
> alphabetically by URL; this allows subsorting articles that have a
> URL by year
>    *  Export save panel now displays show/hide extension checkbox and
> allows directory creation
>    *  Group names are no longer combined in the delete warning, since
> the sheet had problems when too many groups were selected
>    *  Fixed text height calculation in alert subclass
>    *  Changed temporary file behavior of opening with temporary cite
> keys and open using filter
>    *  Fixed leak in error handling of documents
>    *  Fixed warning message to the console when quitting with TeX
> previewing enabled, but without activating the previewer
>    *  "And" is now recognized case-insensitively as a group separator
> (bug #1503662)
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: three characters : one geometric, two domino-like
> From: <delanoy at math.univ-lyon1.fr>
> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 10:55:37 +0200 (CEST)
>
>        Hello all,
>
>   below is the LaTeX code that produces archaic ``tartesian" characters
> in a picture. I should like to use them as ordinary
> characters in ordinary text.
> They look simple enough, but I've not found them in any package.
> Probably there is a reasonable way to realize them as combinations,
> with \hspace and \vspace. How would the LaTeX pros do it ?
>
>                         Ewan
>
>
> \begin{picture}(8,3)
>  \put(0,0){\line(2,0){2}}
>  \put(0,0){\line(2,3){2}}
>  \put(0,3){\line(1,0){2}}
>  \put(0,3){\line(2,-3){2}}
>
>  \put(3,0){\line(1,0){2}}
>  \put(3,0){\line(0,1){3}}
>  \put(3,3){\line(1,0){2}}
>  \put(5,0){\line(0,1){3}}
>  \put(4,1){$\bullet$}
>  \put(4,2){$\bullet$}
>
>  \put(6,0){\line(1,0){2}}
>  \put(6,0){\line(0,1){3}}
>  \put(6,3){\line(1,0){2}}
>  \put(8,0){\line(0,1){3}}
>  \put(7,0.7){$\bullet$}
>  \put(7,1.5){$\bullet$}
>  \put(7,2.3){$\bullet$}
>
>  \end{picture}
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: select column of text in TeXShop
> From: "Jan Hegewald" <rurapente at gmx.de>
> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 12:48:51 +0200
>
> Dear all,
> most cocoa apps allow to select a column of text by holding option
> and klick-drag with the mouse. In TeXShop however, I can not get this
> to work: the desired portion of text is marked blue when I drag the
> mouse, but as soon as I release the mouse button, the selection
> changes and only the first row remains selected.
> Can anyone confirm this or is there something mangled with my TeXShop?
>
> Cheers,
> -- Jan
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] select column of text in TeXShop
> From: "Bob Kerstetter" <bkerstetter at mac.com>
> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 06:22:48 -0500
>
>
> On Jun 15, 2006, at 5:48 AM, Jan Hegewald wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>> most cocoa apps allow to select a column of text by holding option
>> and klick-drag with the mouse. In TeXShop however, I can not get
>> this to work: the desired portion of text is marked blue when I
>> drag the mouse, but as soon as I release the mouse button, the
>> selection changes and only the first row remains selected.
>> Can anyone confirm this or is there something mangled with my TeXShop?
>
>
> You can option click drag an every looks okay, until you release the
> button and the selection does not stick.
>
> Submit as a bug here:
>
> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=155796&atid=797238
>
> or as feature request here:
>
> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=155796&atid=797241
>
> It could be either.
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Two Texshop requests
> From: "Jan Hegewald" <rurapente at gmx.de>
> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 13:24:32 +0200
>
> Hello,
>
> Am 14.06.2006 um 15:06 schrieb Herbert Schulz:
>
>>> 2. when there are two filenames with the same name, it would be
>>> great to show enough of the path to make them unique (as emacs
>>> does). We are writing a textbook with associated slides and have
>>> ch08/lect3.tex and ch12/lect3.tex, etc. It is surprising how often
>>> I have the same file open, but I can't find the file I want very
>>> easily when the "window" menu lists them as the same.
>
> as a not so cumbersome workaround you can cmd-klick on the file icon
> in the window (on top, just right of the filename) to have a look at
> the directories where this file belongs to.
>
> HTH,
> -- Jan
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] How to use cmr-super ?
> From: "Alain Matthes" <alain.matthes at mac.com>
> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:12:20 +0200
>
>
> Le 14 juin 06 à 19:22, Peter Dyballa a écrit :
>
>>
>> Am 14.06.2006 um 14:47 schrieb Alain Matthes:
>>
>>>  but not in "/Users/ego/Library/texmf/web2c/updmap.cfg"
>>>
>>> I copied the preceding lines in this file and I made : sudo updmap
>>
>> It's not OK to use sudo to update one's own files.
>
> yes but it's not a big problem
>
>>
>>
>>
>> For the other readers and owners of private MAP files: you do need,
>> i.e. you *must* invoke 'updmap --enable Map=<mapfilefragment>'
>> after you've installed fonts
>> and MAP file fragments with i-Installer in the system's tree.
>>
>
> I installed the files with I-installer and I-installer says install
> and « configure ».
>   I-installer must configure in theory but It configures what?
>   why i've a web2c in my texmf directory ? where is the mistake ?
>
>
>
> Greetings
>
> Alain Matthes
>
>
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] How to use cmr-super ?
> From: "Herbert Schulz" <herbs at wideopenwest.com>
> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 07:23:12 -0500
>
>
> On Jun 15, 2006, at 7:12 AM, Alain Matthes wrote:
>
>> ...
>> I installed the files with I-installer and I-installer says install
>> and « configure ».
>>  I-installer must configure in theory but It configures what?
>>  why i've a web2c in my texmf directory ? where is the mistake ?
>>
>>
>>
>> Greetings
>>
>> Alain Matthes
>
> Howdy,
>
> The non-sys versions of fmtutil(-sys) and updmap(-sys) commands will
> build in ~/Library/texmf/ (web2c or fonts/maps/...); they are meant
> to be used for personal configurations as opposed to system (all
> user) configuration which is done using the -sys versions of the
> commands and builds in the texmf.local branch. The problem is that
> unless you realize what you did later most changes at the texmf.local
> level will not get picked up since the files will be found in your
> personal branch before the ones in the texmf.local branch of the TeX
> tree.
>
> Good Luck,
>
> Herb Schulz
> (herbs at wideopenwest.com)
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] How to use cmr-super ?
> From: "Frank STENGEL" <fstengel at mac.com>
> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 12:27:14 +0000
>
>
> Le 15 juin 06 à 12:12, Alain Matthes a écrit :
>
>
> <snip>
>
>> I installed the files with I-installer and I-installer says install
>> and « configure ».
>>  I-installer must configure in theory but It configures what?
>
> That is for you to select when the sheet to do so appears. As far as
> I know this sheet appears after the unpacking process and before the
> format etc; generation. It could be that it is only available when
> installing in expert mode or selectiong the "configure only" button...
>
>
> -- 
> Frank STENGEL (fstengel<at>mac.com)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] How to use cmr-super ?
> From: "Peter Dyballa" <Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE>
> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:51:17 +0200
>
>
> Am 15.06.2006 um 14:12 schrieb Alain Matthes:
>
>> I installed the files with I-installer and I-installer says install
>> and « configure ».
>>  I-installer must configure in theory but It configures what?
>
> I-Installer only cares for the system installation and configuration.
> Otherwise it would install TeX somewhere in ~/Library/texmf ...
>
>>  why i've a web2c in my texmf directory ?
>
> Because you use a modern teTeX distribution and you invoked at some
> time updmap or fmtutil
>
>> where is the mistake ?
>
> I cannot find a mistake in using both -- except when you put a 'sudo'
> before them. And the next mistake is when you think what changes thy
> system's files that have the same names as your private versions
> integrates these changes into your private property, too. That's not
> true, because by default first your own repository is searched for
> TeX files then the system,  so that the system's files are never
> found because the search ends in your field. And if it where true
> there would be no reason to have system and private sets or
> configurations, no private setup for a subject's header or sub-
> header, format for a footnote ...
>
> --
> Greetings
>
>    Pete
>
>                    Sorry my terrible English, my native language Lisp!
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] select column of text in TeXShop
> From: "Peter Dyballa" <Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE>
> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:59:00 +0200
>
>
> Am 15.06.2006 um 12:48 schrieb Jan Hegewald:
>
>> Can anyone confirm this
>
> I can confirm that it works with TeXShop 2.10beta in Mac OS X 10.4.6.
> It works for columns in tables, it also works to extract arbitrary
> rectangles of text.
>
> --
> Mit friedvollen Grüßen
>
>    Pete
>
> Der größte Aberglaube der Gegenwart ist der Glaube an die Vorfahrt.
> (Jacques Tati)
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] select column of text in TeXShop
> From: "Bob Kerstetter" <bkerstetter at mac.com>
> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 08:16:42 -0500
>
>
> On Jun 15, 2006, at 7:59 AM, Peter Dyballa wrote:
>
>>
>> Am 15.06.2006 um 12:48 schrieb Jan Hegewald:
>>
>>> Can anyone confirm this
>>
>> I can confirm that it works with TeXShop 2.10beta in Mac OS X
>> 10.4.6. It works for columns in tables, it also works to extract
>> arbitrary rectangles of text.
>
> Yes, Peter is correct. So forget my earlier post, except for the
> places to report bugs and request features. :)
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Fwd: [Bibdesk-users] Export templates for nightly build users
> From: "Adam R. Maxwell" <amaxwell at mac.com>
> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 06:16:13 -0700
>
> BibDesk nightly build users who aren't on the BibDesk mailing list
> should follow this advice; I forgot to mention it in the announcement.
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>> From: Christiaan Hofman
>> Date: June 15, 2006 00:15:11 PDT
>> To: bibdesk-users at lists.sourceforge.net
>> Subject: [Bibdesk-users] Export templates for nightly build users
>> Reply-To: For general discussion about using BibDesk <bibdesk-
>> users at lists.sourceforge.net>
>>
>> For those of you who have used the nightly builds for BibDesk
>> during the development of the latest release, I thank you all for
>> testing and sending feedback.
>>
>> For anyone using the nightly builds, I advise you to reset all the
>> templates, as some intermediate test versions might block updating
>> to the latest versions, and new default templates might not yet be
>> known. You can go to the Templates pref pane, and hit both the
>> Reset button and the Reset Default Files button.
>>
>> If you made any changes to the preferences, you should reinsert
>> those. Also, if you made any changes to the default files in ~/
>> Library/Application Support/BibDesk/Templates, you should first
>> save those to another location, after which you can move them back
>> (though you might first want to look at the new versions of the
>> templates). Note that if you want to update a particular default
>> template file to its latest version, you can remove this file from
>> the ~/Library/Application Support/BibDesk/Templates folder and
>> restart BibDesk.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Christiaan
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Bibdesk-users mailing list
>> Bibdesk-users at lists.sourceforge.net
>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] How to use cmr-super ?
> From: "Alain Matthes" <alain.matthes at mac.com>
> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 15:37:54 +0200
>
>
> Le 15 juin 06 à 14:51, Peter Dyballa a écrit :
>
>>
>> Am 15.06.2006 um 14:12 schrieb Alain Matthes:
>>
>>> I installed the files with I-installer and I-installer says
>>> install and « configure ».
>>>  I-installer must configure in theory but It configures what?
>>
>> I-Installer only cares for the system installation and
>> configuration. Otherwise it would install TeX somewhere in ~/
>> Library/texmf ...
>>
>>>  why i've a web2c in my texmf directory ?
>>
>> Because you use a modern teTeX distribution and you invoked at some
>> time updmap or fmtutil
>>
>>> where is the mistake ?
>>
>> I cannot find a mistake in using both -- except when you put a
>> 'sudo' before them. And the next mistake is when you think what
>> changes thy system's files that have the same names as your private
>> versions integrates these changes into your private property, too.
>> That's not true, because by default first your own repository is
>> searched for TeX files then the system,  so that the system's files
>> are never found because the search ends in your field. And if it
>> where true there would be no reason to have system and private sets
>> or configurations, no private setup for a subject's header or sub-
>> header, format for a footnote ...
>>
>
> Thanks for all your answers Herbert, Franck and Pete !
>
> Greetings
>
> Alain Matthes
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] OT: But what suggestions do TeXShop users have 
> for collaborative writing
> From: "Alain Schremmer" <Schremmer.Alain at gmail.com>
> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 10:14:11 -0400
>
> Ross Moore wrote:
>
>> Hello John,
>>
>> On 14/06/2006, at 11:13 AM, John Vokey wrote:
>>
>>> All,
>>>   Sorry for the OT post, but I was asked today, so I thought I  would
>>> seek further input from other TeXShop users.  When I write  with
>>> multiple authors who also use LaTeX, we simply swap the .tex  files
>>> back and forth, handling all changes and suggestions with in- line
>>> comments (i.e., nothing is ever deleted, just commented out).   That
>>> seems to work well.  For non-tex co-authors, I send compiled  pdfs
>>> with in-line \marginpar{} for comments and suggestions, but,  of
>>> course, their comments in return are just usually emailed text.   I
>>> suppose CVS would work as well, but seems like overkill.  Any  other
>>> suggestions, especially something more TeX-like?
>>
>>
>> \usepackage{soul}  lets you do  Strike-Out and Under-Line .
>> That's a way of marking changes in the LaTeX source, with
>> a clear visual effect within the PDF.
>>
>> This could be mixed with different colours to provide a kind
>> of version-tracking setting.
>> When it comes to the final version, you would only need to
>> redefine \so and \ul to gobble/place there arguments, according
>> to whether they are meant to be discarded or included.
>>
>> For larger segments such as whole paragraphs, then you could
>>      \usepackage{comment}
>> and declare your own  \includecomment  and  \excludecomment
>> markup environments.
>
> There is also the way to annotate temporarily in the margin (Ask Nelly,
> PracTeX Journal 2005-1):
>
>     \newcommand{\query}[1]{\marginpar{%
>         \vskip-\baselineskip %raise the marginpar a bit
>         \raggedright
>         \footnotesize
>         \color{red}
>         \itshape
>         \hrule\smallskip#1\par\smallskip\hrule}}
>
> It can be turned on/off by
>
>     \newcommand{\removequeries}{\renewcommand{\query}[1]{}}
>
> An annotation is inserted in the margin as follows
>
>     \query{Here is a comment.}
>
>
> Regards
> --schremmer
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Need applescript
> From: "Alain Schremmer" <Schremmer.Alain at gmail.com>
> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 10:22:56 -0400
>
> George Gratzer wrote:
>
>>
>> On Jun 13, 2006, at 4:17 PM, Peter Dyballa wrote:
>>
>>>  wouldn't it be easier to print just this page into a PDF file?  This
>>> could be a job for Automator ...
>>>
>>
>>
>> One problem: TeXShop does not have print current page.
>
> But if you ask it to print, say, page 24 to 24 it will print page 24.
> (Or am I completely beside the point?)
>
> Regards
> --schremmer
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] OT: But what suggestions do TeXShop users have 
> for collaborative writing
> From: "Jung-Tsung Shen" <jushen at gmail.com>
> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 07:35:16 -0700
>
> On 6/13/06, Alex Scorpan <scorpan at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Note that some simple annotations can also be made in Apple's Preview.
>>
>> -- Alex
>
> Here's one simple code for annotations:
>
> ========================================
>
> \pdfannot % generic annotation
> width 10cm % the dimension of the annotation can be controlled
> height 0cm % via <rule spec>; if some of dimensions in
> depth 4cm % <rule spec> is not given, the corresponding
> % value of the parent box will be used.
> { %
> /Subtype /Text % text annotation
> % /Open true % if given then the text annotation will be opened
> /Contents % text contents
> (Hello, there! Can you see me? ˆ_ˆ)
> }%
>
> ========================================
>
> I forgot where I got it. Maybe from this forum? :P I have only used
> the code in some very simple documents, and they worked very well.
>
> JT
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] OT: But what suggestions do TeXShop users have 
> for collaborative writing
> From: "Jung-Tsung Shen" <jushen at gmail.com>
> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 07:39:38 -0700
>
> On 6/14/06, Maarten Sneep <maarten.sneep at xs4all.nl> wrote:
>> latexdiff is really nice. You just need the "before" and "after"
>> versions of the latex sources, and you get a nicely formatted diff
>> file. I usually define a special command that inserts my comments in
>> a different colour.
>>
>> Maarten
>
> I use Automator in conjunction with latexdiff, and it does a wonderful 
> job.
>
> Also, if every co-author feels a bit easy about CVS, it actually is
> the best solution. There are great servers and clients on Mac and PC.
>
> JT
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Need applescript
> From: "George Gratzer" <gratzer at ms.umanitoba.ca>
> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 09:49:04 -0500
>
> Of course, but it could not be automated.
>
> GG
>
> On Jun 15, 2006, at 9:22 AM, Alain Schremmer wrote:
>
>> George Gratzer wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 13, 2006, at 4:17 PM, Peter Dyballa wrote:
>>>
>>>>  wouldn't it be easier to print just this page into a PDF file?
>>>> This could be a job for Automator ...
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> One problem: TeXShop does not have print current page.
>>
>> But if you ask it to print, say, page 24 to 24 it will print page
>> 24. (Or am I completely beside the point?)
>>
>> Regards
>> --schremmer
>>
>>
>> ------------------------- Info --------------------------
>> Mac-TeX Website: http://www.esm.psu.edu/mac-tex/
>>          & FAQ: http://latex.yauh.de/faq/
>> TeX FAQ: http://www.tex.ac.uk/faq
>> List Archive: http://tug.org/pipermail/macostex-archives/
>>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Need applescript
> From: "Chris Goedde" <cgoedde at condor.depaul.edu>
> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 10:11:40 -0500
>
> This is a gentle suggestion for George and for others asking detailed
> questions like this. It's often better to give the full context of what
> it is you are trying to achieve and ask a general "How might I do
> this?" rather than ask a detailed question about a specific solution to
> the problem. For example, while I've followed this thread, I haven't
> ventured a comment because I don't really understand what George is
> trying to do. (I'm particularly puzzled about automating a process that
> (if I've read correctly) depends on which window a user has open.) Not
> that I *would* have a suggestion for George, even if I understood what
> he wants to do, but I certainly *can't* so long as I don't.
>
> Just my $0.02.
>
> Chris
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] OT: But what suggestions do TeXShop users have 
> for collaborative writing
> From: "Claus Gerhardt" <gerhardt at math.uni-heidelberg.de>
> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:30:44 +0200
>
> Here is a modified \footnote command for the annotations.
>
> \makeatletter
> \RequirePackage{color}
> \newcommand{\ann}[1]{\renewcommand{\@makefnmark}{\mbox{$^{\color{red}
> {\@thefnmark}}$}}%
> \footnote {#1}}
> \makeatother
>
> \newcommand{\rmann}{\renewcommand{\ann}[1]{}}%removing the annotations
>
>
> Claus
>
> On Jun 15, 2006, at 16:14, Alain Schremmer wrote:
>
>> Ross Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Hello John,
>>>
>>> On 14/06/2006, at 11:13 AM, John Vokey wrote:
>>>
>>>> All,
>>>>   Sorry for the OT post, but I was asked today, so I thought I
>>>> would seek further input from other TeXShop users.  When I write
>>>> with multiple authors who also use LaTeX, we simply swap
>>>> the .tex  files back and forth, handling all changes and
>>>> suggestions with in- line comments (i.e., nothing is ever
>>>> deleted, just commented out).   That seems to work well.  For non-
>>>> tex co-authors, I send compiled  pdfs with in-line \marginpar{}
>>>> for comments and suggestions, but,  of course, their comments in
>>>> return are just usually emailed text.   I suppose CVS would work
>>>> as well, but seems like overkill.  Any  other suggestions,
>>>> especially something more TeX-like?
>>>
>>>
>>> \usepackage{soul}  lets you do  Strike-Out and Under-Line .
>>> That's a way of marking changes in the LaTeX source, with
>>> a clear visual effect within the PDF.
>>>
>>> This could be mixed with different colours to provide a kind
>>> of version-tracking setting.
>>> When it comes to the final version, you would only need to
>>> redefine \so and \ul to gobble/place there arguments, according
>>> to whether they are meant to be discarded or included.
>>>
>>> For larger segments such as whole paragraphs, then you could
>>>      \usepackage{comment}
>>> and declare your own  \includecomment  and  \excludecomment
>>> markup environments.
>>
>> There is also the way to annotate temporarily in the margin (Ask
>> Nelly, PracTeX Journal 2005-1):
>>
>>    \newcommand{\query}[1]{\marginpar{%
>>        \vskip-\baselineskip %raise the marginpar a bit
>>        \raggedright
>>        \footnotesize
>>        \color{red}
>>        \itshape
>>        \hrule\smallskip#1\par\smallskip\hrule}}
>>
>> It can be turned on/off by
>>    \newcommand{\removequeries}{\renewcommand{\query}[1]{}}
>>
>> An annotation is inserted in the margin as follows
>>
>>    \query{Here is a comment.}
>>
>>
>> Regards
>> --schremmer
>>
>>
>> ------------------------- Info --------------------------
>> Mac-TeX Website: http://www.esm.psu.edu/mac-tex/
>>          & FAQ: http://latex.yauh.de/faq/
>> TeX FAQ: http://www.tex.ac.uk/faq
>> List Archive: http://tug.org/pipermail/macostex-archives/
>>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] OT: But what suggestions do TeXShop users have 
> for collaborative writing
> From: "George Gratzer" <gratzer at ms.umanitoba.ca>
> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 10:46:10 -0500
>
> May I suggest that Acrobat has a first class document compare? I send
> my coathors the source and the marked up pdf.
>
> GG
>
> On Jun 15, 2006, at 10:30 AM, Claus Gerhardt wrote:
>
>> Here is a modified \footnote command for the annotations.
>>
>> \makeatletter
>> \RequirePackage{color}
>> \newcommand{\ann}[1]{\renewcommand{\@makefnmark}{\mbox{$^{\color
>> {red}{\@thefnmark}}$}}%
>> \footnote {#1}}
>> \makeatother
>>
>> \newcommand{\rmann}{\renewcommand{\ann}[1]{}}%removing the annotations
>>
>>
>> Claus
>>
>> On Jun 15, 2006, at 16:14, Alain Schremmer wrote:
>>
>>> Ross Moore wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello John,
>>>>
>>>> On 14/06/2006, at 11:13 AM, John Vokey wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> All,
>>>>>   Sorry for the OT post, but I was asked today, so I thought I
>>>>> would seek further input from other TeXShop users.  When I
>>>>> write  with multiple authors who also use LaTeX, we simply swap
>>>>> the .tex  files back and forth, handling all changes and
>>>>> suggestions with in- line comments (i.e., nothing is ever
>>>>> deleted, just commented out).   That seems to work well.  For
>>>>> non-tex co-authors, I send compiled  pdfs with in-line \marginpar
>>>>> {} for comments and suggestions, but,  of course, their comments
>>>>> in return are just usually emailed text.   I suppose CVS would
>>>>> work as well, but seems like overkill.  Any  other suggestions,
>>>>> especially something more TeX-like?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> \usepackage{soul}  lets you do  Strike-Out and Under-Line .
>>>> That's a way of marking changes in the LaTeX source, with
>>>> a clear visual effect within the PDF.
>>>>
>>>> This could be mixed with different colours to provide a kind
>>>> of version-tracking setting.
>>>> When it comes to the final version, you would only need to
>>>> redefine \so and \ul to gobble/place there arguments, according
>>>> to whether they are meant to be discarded or included.
>>>>
>>>> For larger segments such as whole paragraphs, then you could
>>>>      \usepackage{comment}
>>>> and declare your own  \includecomment  and  \excludecomment
>>>> markup environments.
>>>
>>> There is also the way to annotate temporarily in the margin (Ask
>>> Nelly, PracTeX Journal 2005-1):
>>>
>>>    \newcommand{\query}[1]{\marginpar{%
>>>        \vskip-\baselineskip %raise the marginpar a bit
>>>        \raggedright
>>>        \footnotesize
>>>        \color{red}
>>>        \itshape
>>>        \hrule\smallskip#1\par\smallskip\hrule}}
>>>
>>> It can be turned on/off by
>>>    \newcommand{\removequeries}{\renewcommand{\query}[1]{}}
>>>
>>> An annotation is inserted in the margin as follows
>>>
>>>    \query{Here is a comment.}
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> --schremmer
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------- Info --------------------------
>>> Mac-TeX Website: http://www.esm.psu.edu/mac-tex/
>>>          & FAQ: http://latex.yauh.de/faq/
>>> TeX FAQ: http://www.tex.ac.uk/faq
>>> List Archive: http://tug.org/pipermail/macostex-archives/
>>>
>>
>> ------------------------- Info --------------------------
>> Mac-TeX Website: http://www.esm.psu.edu/mac-tex/
>>          & FAQ: http://latex.yauh.de/faq/
>> TeX FAQ: http://www.tex.ac.uk/faq
>> List Archive: http://tug.org/pipermail/macostex-archives/
>>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Need applescript
> From: "George Gratzer" <gratzer at ms.umanitoba.ca>
> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 10:52:06 -0500
>
> Hi Chris,
>
> This thread continues another one -- this is why my question was not
> fully explained. The question is how to minimize the labor of using
> the PDF Processing Apps of Gary. The ideal solution would be to have
> "print current page" as an option, hopefully here soon, and then
> Automator would take care of the rest.
>
> The older thread is
>
> Placing eps figures
>
> GG
>
>
> On Jun 15, 2006, at 10:11 AM, Chris Goedde wrote:
>
>> This is a gentle suggestion for George and for others asking
>> detailed questions like this. It's often better to give the full
>> context of what it is you are trying to achieve and ask a general
>> "How might I do this?" rather than ask a detailed question about a
>> specific solution to the problem. For example, while I've followed
>> this thread, I haven't ventured a comment because I don't really
>> understand what George is trying to do. (I'm particularly puzzled
>> about automating a process that (if I've read correctly) depends on
>> which window a user has open.) Not that I *would* have a suggestion
>> for George, even if I understood what he wants to do, but I
>> certainly *can't* so long as I don't.
>>
>> Just my $0.02.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> ------------------------- Info --------------------------
>> Mac-TeX Website: http://www.esm.psu.edu/mac-tex/
>>          & FAQ: http://latex.yauh.de/faq/
>> TeX FAQ: http://www.tex.ac.uk/faq
>> List Archive: http://tug.org/pipermail/macostex-archives/
>>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] ISO Help - Getting PDF Fonts Right
> From: "Jeffrey Weimer" <weimerj at email.uah.edu>
> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 10:59:30 -0500
>
> This is a follow-up to my PDF font issue.
>
> On Jun 8, 2006, at 4:46 PM, Maarten Sneep wrote:
>
>> Those are the replacement fonts. This is normal behaviour, unless you
>> somehow bought the real deal. I'm quite sure you'd know about that
> if >you'd done that.
>
> Some time long, long ago in a galaxy far, far away, I bought Adobe
> Persuasion. It included Distiller. I ran Distiller on the PS file
> produced by printing (to PS) the DVI file produced after running
> OzTeX. I recall setting Distiller to embed all fonts but the standard
> 35. This must have been why things worked out at the print shop (as I
> now read in Peter Dyballa posts about TeX -> DVI -> PS -> PDF rather
> than TeX -> pdflatex -> PDF ...)
>
>> ... Check the fonts in Adobe Reader -> Document Properties ->
> fonts. All
>> fonts should be listed as "Embedded Subset". This is the default,
> if you
>> see something else, report back here, so we may figure it out.
>
> The fonts all are Embedded Subsets. It must certainly be the lack of
> all glyphs that throws the print services machines off. So ....
>
> I did a serious comparison of the various settings, including those 
> from
>
> ****
>
> 1) Herb Schulz:
>
> \usepackage{mathptmx}
> \usepackage[scaled=0.87]{helvet}
> \usepackage{courier}
> \normalfont
> \usepackage[T1]{fontenc}
> \usepackage{textcomp}
>
> Note: The packages seem to override the encodings, and it matters not
> whether [T1] or [OT1] is used.
>
> 2) Peter Dyballa:
>
> \renewcommand{\rmdefault}{ptm}
> \renewcommand{\sfdefault}{phv}
> \renewcommand{\ttdefault}{pcr}
>
> 3) Peter Dyballa
>
> By using DVI as TeX output and invoking dvips with -j0 -- this should
> make dvips ...
>
> ****
>
> What I found is, compiling with Tex + Ghostscript rather than
> pdflatex forces a complete install of the fonts. I also found, I
> actually like the T1 font encodings better than the Times/Helvetica/
> Courier for my lengthy lab manual.
>
> So, I've ended up using the T1 font encodings and running through TeX/
> dvi/Ghostscript. IT WORKED!
>
> Thanks everyone for your help! That is one more step closer to home
> in my Quantum Leaping ...
>
> (BTW, for those who don't know, Quantum Leap was a US TV show where
> this fellow "leaped" from being one person to another (ostensibly to
> help the person solve his/her current life's problem) due to some
> Quark in a Time Machine (or such), all the while just wanting to tap
> his shoes and go back to Kansas. It was quite a popular TV sh
>
> --
> Chemistry / Chemical & Materials Engineering
> University of Alabama in Huntsville, Sparkman Dr
> Huntsville, AL 35899                phone: 256-824-6954
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Need applescript
> From: "Alain Schremmer" <Schremmer.Alain at gmail.com>
> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 12:06:33 -0400
>
> George Gratzer wrote:
>
>> Of course, but it could not be automated.
>
> Ah!
> So I /was/ completely beside the point.
>
> Regards
> --schremmer
>
>>
>> GG
>>
>> On Jun 15, 2006, at 9:22 AM, Alain Schremmer wrote:
>>
>>> George Gratzer wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 13, 2006, at 4:17 PM, Peter Dyballa wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  wouldn't it be easier to print just this page into a PDF file?
>>>>> This could be a job for Automator ...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> One problem: TeXShop does not have print current page.
>>>
>>>
>>> But if you ask it to print, say, page 24 to 24 it will print page
>>> 24. (Or am I completely beside the point?)
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> --schremmer
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------- Info --------------------------
>>> Mac-TeX Website: http://www.esm.psu.edu/mac-tex/
>>>          & FAQ: http://latex.yauh.de/faq/
>>> TeX FAQ: http://www.tex.ac.uk/faq
>>> List Archive: http://tug.org/pipermail/macostex-archives/
>>>
>>
>> ------------------------- Info --------------------------
>> Mac-TeX Website: http://www.esm.psu.edu/mac-tex/
>>          & FAQ: http://latex.yauh.de/faq/
>> TeX FAQ: http://www.tex.ac.uk/faq
>> List Archive: http://tug.org/pipermail/macostex-archives/
>>
>>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Need applescript
> From: "Gary L. Gray" <gray at engr.psu.edu>
> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 12:07:22 -0400
>
>
> On Jun 15, 2006, at 11:52 AM, George Gratzer wrote:
>
>> This thread continues another one -- this is why my question was
>> not fully explained. The question is how to minimize the labor of
>> using the PDF Processing Apps of Gary. The ideal solution would be
>> to have "print current page" as an option, hopefully here soon, and
>> then Automator would take care of the rest.
>
> George,
>
> I don't understand how the ability to "print the current page" helps
> with the figure labeling apps I mentioned?
>
> Regards,
>    Gary
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] OT: But what suggestions do TeXShop users have 
> for collaborative writing
> From: "Jung-Tsung Shen" <jushen at gmail.com>
> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 09:12:59 -0700
>
> On 6/15/06, George Gratzer <gratzer at ms.umanitoba.ca> wrote:
>> May I suggest that Acrobat has a first class document compare? I send
>> my coathors the source and the marked up pdf.
>>
>> GG
>>
>
> Another option I would suggest is to use iStorm:
>
> http://www.mathgamehouse.com/istorm/
>
> This is for Mac users only, of course.
>
> I have never used this before, but am very interested to get one in
> the very near future.
>
> JT
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Need applescript
> From: "George Gratzer" <gratzer at ms.umanitoba.ca>
> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 11:43:52 -0500
>
> Most of the time, the formulas I want attached are in the current
> page of the pdf file. If i can separate that, drop it into your TeX
> Font Outliner.app, then I am done.
>
> If this is not the case, then I create, as you suggest, a small
> auxilliary file, and use that for the formulas needed. I  am sendin
> to your address the paper i worked on yesterday. In one day, I did
> all those formulas in the eps files. there are 16 illustrations, the
> worst has 18 formulas pasted in.
>
> I am very happy with the productivity of this method.
>
> Since I use eps files, I do not need PDF Cropper.app.
>
> GG
>
>
> On Jun 15, 2006, at 11:07 AM, Gary L. Gray wrote:
>
>>
>> On Jun 15, 2006, at 11:52 AM, George Gratzer wrote:
>>
>>> This thread continues another one -- this is why my question was
>>> not fully explained. The question is how to minimize the labor of
>>> using the PDF Processing Apps of Gary. The ideal solution would be
>>> to have "print current page" as an option, hopefully here soon,
>>> and then Automator would take care of the rest.
>>
>> George,
>>
>> I don't understand how the ability to "print the current page"
>> helps with the figure labeling apps I mentioned?
>>
>> Regards,
>>   Gary
>> ------------------------- Info --------------------------
>> Mac-TeX Website: http://www.esm.psu.edu/mac-tex/
>>          & FAQ: http://latex.yauh.de/faq/
>> TeX FAQ: http://www.tex.ac.uk/faq
>> List Archive: http://tug.org/pipermail/macostex-archives/
>>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Need applescript
> From: "Gary L. Gray" <gray at engr.psu.edu>
> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 13:33:04 -0400
>
>
> On Jun 15, 2006, at 12:43 PM, George Gratzer wrote:
>
>> Most of the time, the formulas I want attached are in the current
>> page of the pdf file. If i can separate that, drop it into your TeX
>> Font Outliner.app, then I am done.
>>
>> If this is not the case, then I create, as you suggest, a small
>> auxilliary file, and use that for the formulas needed. I  am sendin
>> to your address the paper i worked on yesterday. In one day, I did
>> all those formulas in the eps files. there are 16 illustrations,
>> the worst has 18 formulas pasted in.
>>
>> I am very happy with the productivity of this method.
>>
>> Since I use eps files, I do not need PDF Cropper.app.
>
> Aha. I see. I prefer to have a labels file associated with each
> figure so that they can be quickly and easily changed and so that I
> always have the labels immediately associated wit the figure.
>
> -- Gary
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: TeXShop 2.09 crash
> From: "Wolfgang Schmidle" <Wolfgang.Schmidle at sunderland.ac.uk>
> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 19:58:35 +0200
>
> Hello all,
>
> TeXShop 2.09 just crashed on my iBook. I wouldn't know what I did to
> provoke it. Now when I try to LaTeX my file, the corresponding window
> opens but nothing happens. Upgrading to 2.10 doesn't help. What should 
> I do?
>
> Wolfgang
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] TeXShop 2.09 crash
> From: "Chris Goedde" <cgoedde at condor.depaul.edu>
> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 13:02:16 -0500
>
> You don't quite say what "nothing happens" means exactly, but the first
> thing I would do is delete the corresponding .aux file. If it still
> won't latex, post the transcript from the console window. If there's
> nothing in the console window, try moving TeXShop's preferences out of
> the Preferences folder.
>
> Chris Goedde
>
> On Jun 15, 2006, at 12:58 PM, Wolfgang Schmidle wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> TeXShop 2.09 just crashed on my iBook. I wouldn't know what I did to
>> provoke it. Now when I try to LaTeX my file, the corresponding window
>> opens but nothing happens. Upgrading to 2.10 doesn't help. What should
>> I do?
>>
>> Wolfgang
>>
>> ------------------------- Info --------------------------
>> Mac-TeX Website: http://www.esm.psu.edu/mac-tex/
>>          & FAQ: http://latex.yauh.de/faq/
>> TeX FAQ: http://www.tex.ac.uk/faq
>> List Archive: http://tug.org/pipermail/macostex-archives/
>>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] TeXShop 2.09 crash
> From: "Gary L. Gray" <gray at engr.psu.edu>
> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:07:37 -0400
>
>
> On Jun 15, 2006, at 2:02 PM, Chris Goedde wrote:
>
>> You don't quite say what "nothing happens" means exactly, but the
>> first thing I would do is delete the corresponding .aux file. If it
>> still won't latex, post the transcript from the console window. If
>> there's nothing in the console window, try moving TeXShop's
>> preferences out of the Preferences folder.
>
> I would also delete the corresponding pdf file in case that might
> have been corrupted.
>
> -- Gary
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] TeXShop 2.09 crash
> From: "Wolfgang Schmidle" <Wolfgang.Schmidle at sunderland.ac.uk>
> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 20:12:38 +0200
>
> Chris Goedde schrieb:
>> You don't quite say what "nothing happens" means exactly, but the
>> first thing I would do is delete the corresponding .aux file. If it
>> still won't latex, post the transcript from the console window. If
>> there's nothing in the console window, try moving TeXShop's
>> preferences out of the Preferences folder.
>>
>> Chris Goedde
>
> Nothing happens means that nothing at all happens in this window, so
> that there is no transcript. The console window doesn't even open again
> after I have clicked it away; I had to restart TeXShop to see it again.
> The aux files (except bbl) and the preferences were deleted.
>
> Wolfgang
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] TeXShop 2.09 crash
> From: "Wolfgang Schmidle" <Wolfgang.Schmidle at sunderland.ac.uk>
> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 20:50:45 +0200
>
> Wolfgang Schmidle schrieb:
>> Chris Goedde schrieb:
>>> You don't quite say what "nothing happens" means exactly, but the
>>> first thing I would do is delete the corresponding .aux file. If it
>>> still won't latex, post the transcript from the console window. If
>>> there's nothing in the console window, try moving TeXShop's
>>> preferences out of the Preferences folder.
>>>
>>> Chris Goedde
>>
>> Nothing happens means that nothing at all happens in this window, so
>> that there is no transcript. The console window doesn't even open
>> again after I have clicked it away; I had to restart TeXShop to see it
>> again. The aux files (except bbl) and the preferences were deleted.
>
> I just saw that my reply suggested I had the idea of deleting the
> preferences myself, which I didn't. -- I had also deleted the pdf file,
> so I guess that wasn't the reason either. Would it help at all to post
> the crash log?
>
> Wolfgang
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] TeXShop 2.09 crash
> From: "Gary L. Gray" <gray at engr.psu.edu>
> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 15:00:46 -0400
>
>
> On Jun 15, 2006, at 2:50 PM, Wolfgang Schmidle wrote:
>
>> Wolfgang Schmidle schrieb:
>>> Chris Goedde schrieb:
>>>> You don't quite say what "nothing happens" means exactly, but the
>>>> first thing I would do is delete the corresponding .aux file. If
>>>> it still won't latex, post the transcript from the console
>>>> window. If there's nothing in the console window, try moving
>>>> TeXShop's preferences out of the Preferences folder.
>>>>
>>>> Chris Goedde
>>>
>>> Nothing happens means that nothing at all happens in this window,
>>> so that there is no transcript. The console window doesn't even
>>> open again after I have clicked it away; I had to restart TeXShop
>>> to see it again. The aux files (except bbl) and the preferences
>>> were deleted.
>>
>> I just saw that my reply suggested I had the idea of deleting the
>> preferences myself, which I didn't. -- I had also deleted the pdf
>> file, so I guess that wasn't the reason either. Would it help at
>> all to post the crash log?
>
> It was suggested that you move/delete TeXShop.plist at:
>
> ~/Library/Preferences/TeXShop.plist
>
> Did you try that?
>
> -- Gary
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] TeXShop 2.09 crash
> From: "Wolfgang Schmidle" <Wolfgang.Schmidle at sunderland.ac.uk>
> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 21:11:10 +0200
>
> Gary L. Gray schrieb:
>> It was suggested that you move/delete TeXShop.plist at:
>>
>> ~/Library/Preferences/TeXShop.plist
>>
>> Did you try that?
>>
>> -- Gary
>
> Yes. Unfortunately, that didn't solve the problem, either.
>
> Wolfgang
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] TeXShop 2.09 crash
> From: "Chris Goedde" <cgoedde at condor.depaul.edu>
> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:24:23 -0500
>
> On Jun 15, 2006, at 1:50 PM, Wolfgang Schmidle wrote:
>
>>> Nothing happens means that nothing at all happens in this window, so
>>> that there is no transcript. The console window doesn't even open
>>> again after I have clicked it away; I had to restart TeXShop to see
>>> it again. The aux files (except bbl) and the preferences were
>>> deleted.
>>
>> I just saw that my reply suggested I had the idea of deleting the
>> preferences myself, which I didn't. -- I had also deleted the pdf
>> file, so I guess that wasn't the reason either. Would it help at all
>> to post the crash log?
>
> I don't know if the crash log would help---it might. If no output is
> appearing in TeXShop's console window, then presumably TeX isn't
> getting started. I would next look in console.log, which you can get to
> from the Apple menu via "About this Mac", followed by "More Info"
> followed by "Logs". I would also play around to see if you can TeX
> anything, or if it's just certain files that won't cooperate.
>
> Chris
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] TeXShop 2.09 crash
> From: "Herbert Schulz" <herbs at wideopenwest.com>
> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:30:38 -0500
>
>
> On Jun 15, 2006, at 2:11 PM, Wolfgang Schmidle wrote:
>
>> Gary L. Gray schrieb:
>>> It was suggested that you move/delete TeXShop.plist at:
>>>
>>> ~/Library/Preferences/TeXShop.plist
>>>
>>> Did you try that?
>>>
>>> -- Gary
>>
>> Yes. Unfortunately, that didn't solve the problem, either.
>>
>> Wolfgang
>
> Howdy,
>
> When you tried to run TeXShop again did it recreate the plist file?
>
> Try moving the TeXShop directory out of ~/Library/. A new one should
> be created. You can move any special changes (e.g., templates,
> macros, command completion) back one at a time to see if anything
> there is causing a problem.
>
> Good Luck,
>
> Herb Schulz
> (herbs at wideopenwest.com)
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] TeXShop 2.09 crash
> From: "Wolfgang Schmidle" <Wolfgang.Schmidle at sunderland.ac.uk>
> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 21:33:35 +0200
>
> Herbert Schulz schrieb:
>>
>> On Jun 15, 2006, at 2:11 PM, Wolfgang Schmidle wrote:
>>
>>> Gary L. Gray schrieb:
>>>> It was suggested that you move/delete TeXShop.plist at:
>>>>
>>>> ~/Library/Preferences/TeXShop.plist
>>>>
>>>> Did you try that?
>>>>
>>>> -- Gary
>>>
>>> Yes. Unfortunately, that didn't solve the problem, either.
>>>
>>> Wolfgang
>>
>> Howdy,
>>
>> When you tried to run TeXShop again did it recreate the plist file?
>>
>> Try moving the TeXShop directory out of ~/Library/. A new one should
>> be created. You can move any special changes (e.g., templates, macros,
>> command completion) back one at a time to see if anything there is
>> causing a problem.
>>
>> Good Luck,
>>
>> Herb Schulz
>> (herbs at wideopenwest.com)
>
>
> OK, the short version: I rebooted the computer and everything was fine,
> which makes me feel kind of stupid.
>
> The long version: I removed ~/library/Texshop, but then TeXshop 
> wouldn't
> start at all because some macros were missing. I couldn't re-install it
> from the dmg file because there were "too many processes open". The
> activity monitor crashed when I tried to start it. When I re-booted,
> there was a kernel panic. The second re-boot worked, and TeXshop also
> worked again. Is this normal? I found it really scary.
>
> Thanks Gary, Chris and Herb for your help!
>
> Wolfgang
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: foo and foo-sys
> From: "Gerben Wierda" <Gerben.Wierda at rna.nl>
> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 21:36:23 +0200
>
> On Jun 14, 2006, at 15:17, Herbert Schulz wrote:
>
>> And updmap vs updmap-sys bites again! :-), :-(!
>
> The day I decided to support this broken idea was not my brightest. The
> funny thing is that for a while before that I had fixed texmf.cnf to
> make sure both system-wide and personal would point to temf.local so
> old instructions would still work. This in fact makes foo-sys and foo
> identical and they then act like foo of before the introduction of
> foo-sys (or foo-sys of after the introduction, "als je begrijpt wat ik
> bedoel").
>
> That cat is out of the bag now for over a year and the problems seem to
> stay and not become less. So, I am wondering if I could not better
> return to the old way of doing it and have a 'enable personal
> configurations' option in Expert mode.
>
> G
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] TeXShop 2.09 crash
> From: "Chris Goedde" <cgoedde at condor.depaul.edu>
> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:41:41 -0500
>
> On Jun 15, 2006, at 2:33 PM, Wolfgang Schmidle wrote:
>>
>> OK, the short version: I rebooted the computer and everything was
>> fine, which makes me feel kind of stupid.
>>
>> The long version: I removed ~/library/Texshop, but then TeXshop
>> wouldn't start at all because some macros were missing. I couldn't
>> re-install it from the dmg file because there were "too many processes
>> open". The activity monitor crashed when I tried to start it. When I
>> re-booted, there was a kernel panic. The second re-boot worked, and
>> TeXshop also worked again. Is this normal? I found it really scary.
>>
>
> If this happened on my computer I would first make sure that all
> critical files were backed up somewhere other than my hard disk and
> then run disk utility on the hard disk to look for/fix errors.
>
> Chris
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] TeXShop 2.09 crash
> From: "Jon Guyer" <jguyer at his.com>
> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 15:44:35 -0400
>
>
> On Jun 15, 2006, at 3:33 PM, Wolfgang Schmidle wrote:
>
>> The long version: I removed ~/library/Texshop, but then TeXshop
>> wouldn't start at all because some macros were missing. I couldn't
>> re-install it from the dmg file because there were "too many
>> processes open". The activity monitor crashed when I tried to start
>> it. When I re-booted, there was a kernel panic. The second re-boot
>> worked, and TeXshop also worked again. Is this normal? I found it
>> really scary.
>
> kernel panics are not normal, but they are almost positively not
> TeXshop's fault. Apple has information about them, as well as
> information about how to send them to Apple for diagnosis: <http://
> docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106227>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] foo and foo-sys
> From: "Herbert Schulz" <herbs at wideopenwest.com>
> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:53:12 -0500
>
>
> On Jun 15, 2006, at 2:36 PM, Gerben Wierda wrote:
>
>> On Jun 14, 2006, at 15:17, Herbert Schulz wrote:
>>
>>> And updmap vs updmap-sys bites again! :-), :-(!
>>
>> The day I decided to support this broken idea was not my brightest.
>> The funny thing is that for a while before that I had fixed
>> texmf.cnf to make sure both system-wide and personal would point to
>> temf.local so old instructions would still work. This in fact makes
>> foo-sys and foo identical and they then act like foo of before the
>> introduction of foo-sys (or foo-sys of after the introduction, "als
>> je begrijpt wat ik bedoel").
>>
>> That cat is out of the bag now for over a year and the problems
>> seem to stay and not become less. So, I am wondering if I could not
>> better return to the old way of doing it and have a 'enable
>> personal configurations' option in Expert mode.
>>
>> G
>
> Howdy,
>
> Well, the poor choice of naming is what really caused the problem and
> that wasn't your doing. It would have been preferable to have foo do
> what foo-sys now does and then have foo-per for setting things in the
> personal texmf tree. Then the vast majority of problems wouldn't have
> occurred and those that needed it could learn about it.
>
> Good Luck,
>
> Herb Schulz
> (herbs at wideopenwest.com)
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] TeXShop 2.09 crash
> From: "Wolfgang Schmidle" <Wolfgang.Schmidle at sunderland.ac.uk>
> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 21:55:12 +0200
>
> Jon Guyer schrieb:
>>
>> On Jun 15, 2006, at 3:33 PM, Wolfgang Schmidle wrote:
>>
>>> The long version: I removed ~/library/Texshop, but then TeXshop
>>> wouldn't start at all because some macros were missing. I couldn't
>>> re-install it from the dmg file because there were "too many
>>> processes open". The activity monitor crashed when I tried to start
>>> it. When I re-booted, there was a kernel panic. The second re-boot
>>> worked, and TeXshop also worked again. Is this normal? I found it
>>> really scary.
>>
>> kernel panics are not normal, but they are almost positively not
>> TeXshop's fault. Apple has information about them, as well as
>> information about how to send them to Apple for diagnosis:
>> <http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106227>
>
> Well, at least there is a temporal proximity between TexShop crashing
> and ceasing to latex my file, my attempts to get it to work properly
> again or to re-install it, and the kernel panic. Other applications
> continued to work fine, and even the TeXShop editor worked. Only the
> the activity monitor crashed, but I would imagine that TeXShop's "too
> many processes" were to blame for that. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
>
> I guess Chris is right: I should backup my files now.
>
> Wolfgang
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] TeXShop 2.09 crash
> From: "Herbert Schulz" <herbs at wideopenwest.com>
> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:59:09 -0500
>
>
> On Jun 15, 2006, at 2:33 PM, Wolfgang Schmidle wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> OK, the short version: I rebooted the computer and everything was
>> fine, which makes me feel kind of stupid.
>>
>> The long version: I removed ~/library/Texshop, but then TeXshop
>> wouldn't start at all because some macros were missing. I couldn't
>> re-install it from the dmg file because there were "too many
>> processes open". The activity monitor crashed when I tried to start
>> it. When I re-booted, there was a kernel panic. The second re-boot
>> worked, and TeXshop also worked again. Is this normal? I found it
>> really scary.
>>
>> Thanks Gary, Chris and Herb for your help!
>>
>> Wolfgang
>>
>
> Howdy,
>
> None of this is normal!!! TeXShop should just re-create a default
> TeXShop folder in ~/Library/ and put in default contents. That's what
> happens here.
>
> If the OS was messed up so a re-boot was necessary I'd actually try
> to do a memory test to make sure you aren't having a hardware
> problem. There is a GUI wrapper of memtest called Rember available
> from <http://www.kelleycomputing.net:16080/rember/> that seems to do
> a decent job. It takes some time to run but I think it's fairly good.
>
>
> Good Luck,
>
> Herb Schulz
> (herbs at wideopenwest.com)
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] TeXShop 2.09 crash
> From: "Jon Guyer" <jguyer at his.com>
> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:07:51 -0400
>
>
> On Jun 15, 2006, at 3:55 PM, Wolfgang Schmidle wrote:
>
>> Well, at least there is a temporal proximity between TexShop
>> crashing and ceasing to latex my file, my attempts to get it to
>> work properly again or to re-install it, and the kernel panic.
>
> Correlation does not imply causation.
>
>> Other applications continued to work fine, and even the TeXShop
>> editor worked. Only the  the activity monitor crashed, but I would
>> imagine that TeXShop's "too many processes" were to blame for that.
>> Please correct me if I'm wrong.
>
> I'm afraid you are wrong. Kernel panics fundamentally cannot be
> caused by application software. They are bugs in the kernel (the
> deepest roots of the OS) or problems in hardware. TeXshop may have
> exposed the flaw, but to my knowledge, TeXshop could not have
> *caused* the flaw even if it wanted to.
>
>> I guess Chris is right: I should backup my files now.
>
> Probably advisable.
>
>
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