[OS X TeX] Re: OS X TeX] TeX and Illustrator Fonts -- CMR Works and Lucida doesn't

Maarten Sneep maarten.sneep at xs4all.nl
Sun May 8 12:01:19 CEST 2005

On May 8, 2005, at 2:34 AM, Gordon Sick wrote:

> Thanks for your help. Indeed, forcing output of eps does force the  
> fonts to become outlined and I can work with this.
> As I investigate this, I am perplexed and intrigued by the following:
> 1.    This problem occurs with the Y&Y Lucida fonts converted to be  
> used in TeTeX (using the instructions on this list), but it does  
> not occur with the CMR fonts that AMS distributes.
> 2.    I think that those CMR fonts were originally created by Blue  
> Sky Research and they started as the postscript distribution that  
> went with Textures-- I used that to learn Latex.

If you use i-Installer to install your TeX, then you use the fonts  
that come with it. Those were indeed created by Blue Sky, but to unix  
specifications (although not the Y&Y specific TeX-n-ANSI encoding).  
Myabe that is the key difference.

> 3.    Blue Sky also distributes Lucida and I wonder if they  
> distribute them in a way that works like CMR (and does't have the  
> problem). Moreover, I noticed on BSR's website a note that they had  
> talked with Apple about the encoding problem and that the encoding  
> problem might be fixed with Tiger.

As far as I know, the two sets are _exactly_ the same. CMR is  
available in more encodings (with the aid of virtual fonts), and one  
of them may do the trick.

> 4.    I've run this example with both Tiger and TexShop 2.0 and  
> Panther and TexShop 1.36 and I get the same results in both cases.  
> That is, if I typeset Latex in CMR, the resulting pdf can be opened  
> by Illustrator CS and it displays the fonts as CMR -- that means  
> they are hinted for display and that some editing of the text is  
> possible. But, if I typeset Latex in Lucida, the resulting pdf  
> cannot be opened by Illustrator CS unless I either outline the font  
> (as per Maarten's instructions), or accept some font substitution  
> for Lucida.
>     This all begs the question of what is the difference between  
> the encoding of Lucida and CMR, and whether the Lucida encoding can  
> be changed to work like CMR?

I'm not sure I want to figure that out (especially since I don't have  
illustrator, Create with Linkback combined with a tool that supports  
it (TeXType at the moment) is just too cool). The replacement trick  
works regardless of the exact font, have you tried Utopia+Fourier?

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