[EXTERNAL] Re: TeX on Windows? [success!] [BUT PCTeX?]

Wed May 26 18:38:59 CEST 2021

Hi Robert,

On your general question:

> I have a general question. Most of the regular people like me are on
either a PC or a Mac, and don't use Linux or Unix like typical TeXperts (my
impression). How is it that there is not room in the market for an
economical user interface like PCTeX, which apparently has crashed as a
company?

My impression has been that "most of the regular people on PC or a Mac"
would not need the level of sophistication provided by TeX and use an
alternative solution (such as MS Office). This is definitely the case in
e.g. the life sciences or the humanities.

In the hard sciences / technical writing circles, the developer lifecycle
necessitates certain common tools, such as advanced text editors or IDEs.
Which then in turn leads to large communities who rely on TeX-oriented
plugins in their editors. The "LaTeX Workshop" extension to VSCode for
example, first released in 2016, today reports 1.2 million installations:
https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=James-Yu.latex-workshop

Another modern trend is moving away from local installation and relying on
web editing services. As the biggest current example, the Overleaf team
reported reaching 6 million users in 2020:
https://www.overleaf.com/blog/reaching-six-million-users-in-an-unprecedented-six-months

The cloud-editing paradigm is much preferred exactly by casual users who do
not feel interested in learning the intricate details of software
installation and "power user" techniques. It is also a paradigm with a
clear business model, and a likely trend to continue in the next decade.

Separately, there are actually tens of support tools for TeX that are
available for use today, each serving a different subcommunity / technology
stack. This (incomplete!) wikipedia article compares 24 of them at the
moment:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_TeX_editors

Whether any of them fits your exact needs or not, the point is that there
is a somewhat high bar for newly built tools to enter the scene. They would
have to put a lot of effort to reach the quality of existing tools, many of
which are free to use, and then would have to justify a price tag that
attracts enough paying users long-term. Not impossible, but also not a
particularly inviting business proposition. I've had some first-person
experience on that end, as a developer for one of the newer projects that
attempted entering this space (Authorea), so my comments are colored
through that experience. That company ended up acquired by Wiley, which
wasn't necessarily our first-choice business outcome at the onset.

Greetings,
Deyan

On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 11:33 AM Robert Jantzen <
robert.jantzen at villanova.edu> wrote:

> Hi Guys!
>
>
>
> Okay, I finally got TexWorks working with TexLive! I had already installed
> it with MikTeX before and it crashed immediately on my book then, but
> apparently TexLive fixed that problem. I replaced the non-ASCII character
> for a hyphen that tripped up the typesetting noted by Alan (Philip? Okay I
> got lost in allt the messages), and put "\protect" in front of \mathbb{R}
> in a section heading which also derailed the typesetting. Now it typesets
> flawlessly!
>
>
>
> BUT are my previous installations of MikTeX irrelevant to this TeXLive
> installation? My original MikTeX from 2 years ago will NOT uninstall. Then
> I tried to install a new version renaming its file location to MikTeX2.9new
> from MikTeX 2.9, so now there are two. If I delete the new one and
> eventually my university IT people are successful in deleting MikTeX (I
> guess I can just leave it), will that affect TexLive? I clearly am clueless
> about just exactly what TeXLive is, and did not see any plain language
> description of it. I am guessing they are totally independent:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TeX_Live
>
>
>
> Does anyone know about the bug in uninstalling MikTeX on a windows 10
> machine? It reports an error and refuses to uninstall.
>
>
>
> Finally, a big thank you to the support you have shown me! When I took a
> shot in the dark emailing a few addresses at TUG, I had no clue what the
> support at tug.org email was for or who it went to. I remember texhax from
> last century when I had been printing it out and keeping them in the late
> 1980s.
>
>
>
> I have a general question. Most of the regular people like me are on
> either a PC or a Mac, and don't use Linux or Unix like typical TeXperts (my
> impression). How is it that there is not room in the market for an
> economical user interface like PCTeX, which apparently has crashed as a
> company? I have invested nearly 40 years in using TeX, then LaTeX, all this
> time paying my annual individual membership to TUG because I wanted to give
> back for what TeX has done for me, even hosting a local Philadelphia Tex
> Users Group (remember TV Guide? They used to use TeX for the program grids,
> we even had Stephan Bechtolsheim in for a weekend wizard workshop at their
> headquarters nearby Villanova) in the late eighties and early nineties,
> since which I have been blissfully using PCTeX and unaware of the efforts
> one must go through to have a free installation. When I finished installing
> TeXLive, I had no idea what to do with it. I stared at the TexLive window,
> looking for some hint of what next.  Someone on this list had to tell me
> that TeXWorks was the interface (I already had some experience in the past
> with that).
>
>
>
> So I guess this is goodbye for now, unless anyone has any thoughts on my
> musings above.
>
>
>
> Arrivederci,
>
> bob
>
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>
>
>
> bob jantzen
>
> http://www34.homepage.villanova.edu/robert.jantzen/
>
> http://www.drbobenterprises.com
>
>
>
>
>
> PS Notice what our MS Exchange server does to URL’s on incoming email at
> Villanova (scroll down below), totally garbling the actual URL to make it
> unreadable! To “protect” us. It seems a more enterprising programmer could
> make a way of showing the actual URL in an HTML formatted incoming email
> while pointing to the protected garbled URL underneath. Oh well.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AC <achirvasub at gmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2021 7:22 AM
> To: David Carlisle <d.p.carlisle at gmail.com>
> Cc: Robert Jantzen <robert.jantzen at villanova.edu>; texhax at tug.org; Philip
> Taylor <P.Taylor at hellenic-institute.uk>
> Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: TeX on Windows?
>
>
>
> Oh, and in case anyone else is wondering about that \226 nonsense: it's an
> artifact of my text editor (emacs) that it's showing me the octal raw byte:
>
>
>
> octal 226 = decimal 150 = en dash[0] in Windows' code page 1252 [1].
>
>
>
> ---
>
>
>
> References:
>
>
>
> [0]
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> [1]
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>
>
> On May 26, 2021 7:06:34 AM EDT, AC <achirvasub at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >On May 26, 2021 4:33:12 AM EDT, David Carlisle <d.p.carlisle at gmail.com>
>
> >wrote:
>
> >>On Wed, 26 May 2021 at 01:58, AC <achirvasub at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Conclusion: you can't just enter special characters from the
>
> >>keyboard. You
>
> >>> need to produce them with TeX commands (like the \'e for accents,
>
> >>etc.) or
>
> >>> specify an encoding to pass to inputenc.
>
> >>>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>That is rather misleading, You do not need  to use
>
> >>\UseRawInputEncoding .
>
> >>You simply need to specify the encoding  that you use, possibly
>
> >>\usepackage[latin1]{inputenc} or (better) save the file in UTF-8.
>
> >>
>
> >
>
> >Well, if we'll quibble so readily over precise phrasing, perhaps I
>
> >could have a quote (from a message of mine) that indicates you NEED to
>
> >use \UseRawInputEncoding?
>
> >
>
> >I never wrote that. In fact, the paragraph you quote immediately
>
> >preceding your own specifically refers to NEEDING to specify an
>
> >encoding.
>
> >
>
> >>David
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>> ---
>
> >>>
>
> >>> References:
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> >>>
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> >>> [0]
>
> >>> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fww
>
> >>> w.latex-project.org%2Fnews%2Flatex2e-news%2Fltnews28.pdf&data=04
>
> >>> %7C01%7Crobert.jantzen%40villanova.edu%7C362abc69f5ae43305b4808d9203
>
> >>> 86ea5%7C765a8de5cf9444f09cafae5bf8cfa366%7C0%7C1%7C63757624901343162
>
> >>> 0%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTi
>
> >>> I6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=5B%2FuM2t3VrX%2BMSRCgZFzVk
>
> >>> idsPuJqf4f87P1%2FoLHl%2Bo%3D&reserved=0
>
> >>> [1]
>
> >>> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fte
>
> >>> x.stackexchange.com%2Fa%2F429194%2F193209&data=04%7C01%7Crobert.
>
> >>> jantzen%40villanova.edu%7C362abc69f5ae43305b4808d920386ea5%7C765a8de
>
> >>> 5cf9444f09cafae5bf8cfa366%7C0%7C1%7C637576249013431620%7CUnknown%7CT
>
> >>> WFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXV
>
> >>> CI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=jfd%2FPJfj58XCZJCMRxolccJYsbYOch%2F8z4kuD
>
> >>> 29wuAA%3D&reserved=0
>
> >>>
>
> >>> On May 25, 2021 8:24:05 PM EDT, AC <achirvasub at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> >On May 25, 2021 7:35:57 PM EDT, Robert Jantzen
>
> >>> ><robert.jantzen at villanova.edu> wrote:
>
> >>> >>Hi Stuart,
>
> >>> >>
>
> >>> >>I cannot tell you how much I appreciate your help.
>
> >>> >>
>
> >>> >
>
> >>> >You bet! You'll always find enough computer geeks on these mailing
>
> >>> >lists who will do this out of sheer curiosity as to whether it
>
> >works
>
> >>> >:).
>
> >>> >
>
> >>> >Now, about that UTF-8 error: the complaint is
>
> >>> >
>
> >>> >Package inputenc Error: Invalid UTF-8 byte "96
>
> >>> >
>
> >>> >In a text editor, viewing the error jumps me to the following
>
> >>passage
>
> >>> >in your text:
>
> >>> >
>
> >>> >"The spherical harmonics are usually defined with an extra sign
>
> >>> >$(-1)^m$ called the Condon\226Shortley phase to make the ladder
>
> >>> >operator formulas simpler."
>
> >>> >
>
> >>> >It's that thing displayed in the source as \226 that's producing
>
> >the
>
> >>> >error. I don't know what it was meant to be, but in the pdf I sent
>
> >>you
>
> >>> >it simply doesn't render: the text appears as the (obviously wrong)
>
> >>> >merged 'CondonShortley'.
>
> >>> >
>
> >>> >If it was meant to be a dash, maybe just make it a plain minus
>
> >sign.
>
> >>> >
>
> >>> >On May 25, 2021 7:35:57 PM EDT, Robert Jantzen
>
> >>> ><robert.jantzen at villanova.edu> wrote:
>
> >>> >>Hi Stuart,
>
> >>> >>
>
> >>> >>I cannot tell you how much I appreciate your help. I will install
>
> >>TeX
>
> >>> >>Live and try to reproduce your success and let everyone know.
>
> >>> >>
>
> >>> >>bob
>
> >>> >>
>
> >>> >>
>
> >>> >>bob jantzen
>
> >>> >>http://www34.homepage.villanova.edu/robert.jantzen/
>
> >>> >>https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fw
>
> >>> >>ww.drbobenterprises.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7Crobert.jantzen%40vil
>
> >>> >>lanova.edu%7C362abc69f5ae43305b4808d920386ea5%7C765a8de5cf9444f09c
>
> >>> >>afae5bf8cfa366%7C0%7C1%7C637576249013431620%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3
>
> >>> >>d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%
>
> >>> >>3D%7C3000&sdata=s3wFD5zlqOFLL3mT7ZQo7EiCoKmK9S5KoHBN3lE2JjU%3D
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> >>> >>&reserved=0
>
> >>> >>
>
> >>> >>-----Original Message-----
>
> >>> >>From: Stuart Little <achirvasub at gmail.com>
>
> >>> >>Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 7:23 PM
>
> >>> >>To: Robert Jantzen <robert.jantzen at villanova.edu>
>
> >>> >>Cc: texhax at tug.org; Philip Taylor
>
> ><P.Taylor at Hellenic-Institute.Uk>;
>
> >>Dr
>
> >>> >>Alan Litchfield <alan at alphabyte.co.nz>
>
> >>> >>Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: TeX on Windows?
>
> >>> >>
>
> >>> >>On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 11:14:21PM +0000, Robert Jantzen wrote:
>
> >>> >>> My apologies, I thought I had saved it after correcting it, but
>
> >I
>
> >>> >>saved it again after sending the cache message and then checked
>
> >the
>
> >>> >>link to make sure it worked.
>
> >>> >>>
>
> >>> >>> I appreciate your efforts to help me.
>
> >>> >>>
>
> >>> >>
>
> >>> >>No worries.
>
> >>> >>
>
> >>> >>About the compilation: it was so fast because I had also unpacked
>
> >>the
>
> >>> >>converted-to-pdf images, so those were ready. Without unpacking
>
> >>those
>
> >>> >>the compilation still seems to have worked, but it took just a few
>
> >>> >>seconds longer. In any case, it produces a pdf with working
>
> >>> >>cross-references, as downloadable at the link I provided earlier.
>
> >>> >>
>
> >>> >>Here, too, is the gzipped and tarred working directory (with the
>
> >>> >images
>
> >>> >>placed properly in the 'images/' subdirectory, etc.):
>
> >>> >>
>
> >>> >>
>
> >>>
>
> >>https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.
>
> >>dropbox.com%2Fs%2Fvdke4p8s1kuax75%2Fdgn.tar.gz%3Fdl%3D0&data=04%7C
>
> >>01%7Crobert.jantzen%40villanova.edu%7C362abc69f5ae43305b4808d920386ea5
>
> >>%7C765a8de5cf9444f09cafae5bf8cfa366%7C0%7C1%7C637576249013431620%7CUnk
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> >>w4A%2Bw6Snmg%3D&reserved=0
>
> >>> >>
>
> >>> >>This is for future reference, in case anyone else wants to try
>
> >>> >>compiling it. What you do is unpack that directory, move in, and
>
> >>> >>(assuming you have TeX Live) run 'pdflatex dgn.tex' a couple of
>
> >>times.
>
> >>> >>
>
> >>> >>> bob
>
> >>> >>>
>
> >>> >>>
>
> >>> >>> bob jantzen
>
> >>> >>> http://www34.homepage.villanova.edu/robert.jantzen/
>
> >>> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww
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> >>>>.d
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> >>> >>>
>
> >>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>
> >>> >>> From: AC <achirvasub at gmail.com>
>
> >>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 7:00 PM
>
> >>> >>> To: Robert Jantzen <robert.jantzen at villanova.edu>
>
> >>> >>> Cc: texhax at tug.org; Philip Taylor
>
> >><P.Taylor at Hellenic-Institute.Uk>;
>
> >>> >>Dr
>
> >>> >>> Alan Litchfield <alan at alphabyte.co.nz>
>
> >>> >>> Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: TeX on Windows?
>
> >>> >>>
>
> >>> >>>
>
> >>> >>>
>
> >>> >>> On May 25, 2021 6:56:12 PM EDT, Robert Jantzen
>
> >>> >><robert.jantzen at villanova.edu> wrote:
>
> >>> >>> >It was your cache I think...??
>
> >>> >>> >
>
> >>> >>>
>
> >>> >>> It was not: your "corrected" link still reads 'dngimages' (just
>
> >>look
>
> >>> >>back at the message; you don't have to take my word for it).
>
> >>> >>>
>
> >>> >>> I manually corrected it to 'dgnimages', so I know the cache was
>
> >>not
>
> >>> >>the issue.
>
> >>> >>>
>
> >>> >>> >
>
> >>> >>> >bob jantzen
>
> >>> >>> >http://www34.homepage.villanova.edu/robert.jantzen/
>
> >>> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.
>
> >>> >>> >dr
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> >>> >>>
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> >>>
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> >>>>>bobenterprises.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7Crobert.jantzen%40villanova
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> >>>>>.e
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> >>> >>> >du
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> >>> >>> >
>
> >>> >>> >-----Original Message-----
>
> >>> >>> >From: Stuart Little <achirvasub at gmail.com>
>
> >>> >>> >Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 6:55 PM
>
> >>> >>> >To: Robert Jantzen <robert.jantzen at villanova.edu>
>
> >>> >>> >Cc: texhax at tug.org; Philip Taylor
>
> >><P.Taylor at Hellenic-Institute.Uk>;
>
> >>> >
>
> >>> >>> >Dr Alan Litchfield <alan at alphabyte.co.nz>
>
> >>> >>> >Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: TeX on Windows?
>
> >>> >>> >
>
> >>> >>> >On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 10:41:25PM +0000, Robert Jantzen wrote:
>
> >>> >>> >> Sorry, I misspelled DifferentialGeometryNotes as dng instead
>
> >>of
>
> >>> >>dgn
>
> >>> >>> >in
>
> >>> >>> >> haste yesterday. I corrected it to
>
> >>> >>> >>
>
> >>> >>>
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> >>>
>
> >>>>>http://www34.homepage.villanova.edu/robert.jantzen/notes/diffgeom/d
>
> >>>>>ng
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> >>> >>> >i
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> >>> >>> >> mages.zip
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> >>> >>> >>
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> >>> >>> >
>
> >>> >>> >:D That's not correct though: it's still 'dng'! No worries
>
> >>though,
>
> >>> >>> >since you explained what was wrong I simply corrected it and
>
> >got
>
> >>> >the
>
> >>> >>
>
> >>> >>> >source.
>
> >>> >>> >
>
> >>> >>> >The file compiled in seconds on TeX Live 2021, with one
>
> >>> >>> >*apparently*-show-stopping UTF-8 error that I simply clicked
>
> >>> >>'Return'
>
> >>> >>> >to bypass (I have not tried to debug). Does this look like it's
>
> >>> >>> >worked fine? You can find the result at
>
> >>> >>> >
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>
> >>> >>> >c%3D&reserved=0
>
> >>> >>> >
>
> >>> >>> >I should note, in that pdf I am able to navigate cross-links
>
> >>just
>
> >>> >>> >fine (I can jump to table-of-contents items, or images, or
>
> >>> >whatever,
>
> >>> >>
>
> >>> >>> >by simply clicking the hyperlinks in the document).
>
> >>> >>> >
>
> >>> >>> >> I did not intend anyone to waste much time on this, but it is
>
> >>> >>> >frustrating that these different packages fail on me! I do have
>
> >>> >>> >administrator access to my windows 10 machine.
>
> >>> >>> >>
>
> >>> >>> >> bob
>
> >>> >>> >>
>
> >>> >>> >> bob jantzen
>
> >>> >>> >> http://www34.homepage.villanova.edu/robert.jantzen/
>
> >>> >>> >>
>
> >>> >>>
>
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>
> >>> >>> >d
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> >>> >>> >>
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> >>> >>>
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> >>>>>rbobenterprises.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7Crobert.jantzen%40villanova.
>
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> >>> >>>
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> >>716FZbaLulfB0fmyT%2FXFdKSvW8XK%2BZwgPCk6nOBhAt0%3D&reserved=0
>
> >>> >>> >>
>
> >>> >>> >> -----Original Message-----
>
> >>> >>> >> From: AC <achirvasub at gmail.com>
>
> >>> >>> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 6:35 PM
>
> >>> >>> >> To: texhax at tug.org; Robert Jantzen
>
> >>> ><robert.jantzen at villanova.edu>;
>
> >>> >>
>
> >>> >>> >> Philip Taylor <P.Taylor at Hellenic-Institute.Uk>; Dr Alan
>
> >>> >Litchfield
>
> >>> >>
>
> >>> >>> >> <alan at alphabyte.co.nz>
>
> >>> >>> >> Cc: texhax at tug.org
>
> >>> >>> >> Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: TeX on Windows?
>
> >>> >>> >>
>
> >>> >>> >>
>
> >>> >>> >>
>
> >>> >>> >> On May 25, 2021 6:03:40 PM EDT, Robert Jantzen
>
> >>> >>> ><robert.jantzen at villanova.edu> wrote:
>
> >>> >>> >> >This is my book:
>
> >>> >>> >> >
>
> >>> >>> >>
>
> >>> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>http://www34.homepage.villanova.edu/robert.jantzen/notes/diffgeom/
>
> >>>>>>in
>
> >>> >>> >>d
>
> >>> >>> >> >ex .htm The complete LaTeX source consists of two zipped
>
> >>files
>
> >>> >>here:
>
> >>> >>> >>
>
> >>> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>http://www34.homepage.villanova.edu/robert.jantzen/notes/diffgeom/
>
> >>>>>>te
>
> >>> >>> >>x
>
> >>> >>> >> >di
>
> >>> >>> >> >stribution.htm
>
> >>> >>> >> >
>
> >>> >>> >>
>
> >>> >>> >> If I visit this last link I get to a page that in turn points
>
> >>me
>
> >>> >>to
>
> >>> >>> >>
>
> >>> >>> >> -
>
> >>> >>> >>
>
> >>> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>http://www34.homepage.villanova.edu/robert.jantzen/notes/diffgeom/d
>
> >>>>>gn
>
> >>> >>> >t
>
> >>> >>> >> exfiles2021.zip
>
> >>> >>> >>
>
> >>> >>> >> -
>
> >>> >>> >>
>
> >>> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>http://www34.homepage.villanova.edu/robert.jantzen/notes/diffgeom/d
>
> >>>>>ng
>
> >>> >>> >i
>
> >>> >>> >> mages.zip
>
> >>> >>> >>
>
> >>> >>> >> and
>
> >>> >>> >>
>
> >>> >>> >> -
>
> >>> >>> >>
>
> >>> >>>
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> >>>
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> >>>>>http://www34.homepage.villanova.edu/robert.jantzen/notes/diffgeom/d
>
> >>>>>gn
>
> >>> >>> >i
>
> >>> >>> >> magesepspdf.zip
>
> >>> >>> >>
>
> >>> >>> >> The second one of those, presumably, is supposed to contain
>
> >>> >>images.
>
> >>> >>> >> Alas, it doesn't work: clicking it results in
>
> >>> >>> >>
>
> >>> >>> >> Not Found
>
> >>> >>> >>
>
> >>> >>> >> The requested URL
>
> >/robert.jantzen/notes/diffgeom/dngimages.zip
>
> >>> >was
>
> >>> >>> >not found on this server.
>
> >>> >>> >>
>
> >>> >>> >> Apache/2.2.15 (Oracle) Server at www34.homepage.villanova.edu
>
> >>> >Port
>
> >>> >>
>
> >>> >>> >> 80
>
> >>> >>> >>
>
> >>> >>> >> ---
>
> >>> >>> >>
>
> >>> >>> >> Ironic, given that abandoned websites came up in a companion
>
> >>> >>thread
>
> >>> >>> >not too long ago :).
>
> >>> >>> >>
>
> >>> >>> >> >This folder contains also the "converted-to-pdf.pdf" image
>
> >>files
>
> >>> >>> >from
>
> >>> >>> >> >using MikTex Texworks or TexnicCenter (I cannot remember any
>
> >>> >more
>
> >>> >>
>
> >>> >>> >> >what I did back in the early teens of this decade):
>
> >>> >>> >>
>
> >>> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>http://www34.homepage.villanova.edu/robert.jantzen/notes/diffgeom/
>
> >>>>>>dg
>
> >>> >>> >>n
>
> >>> >>> >> >im
>
> >>> >>> >> >agesepspdf.zip
>
> >>> >>> >> >
>
> >>> >>> >> >Should I try Tex Live next?
>
> >>> >>> >> >
>
> >>> >>> >> >How is this possible? I really don't understand. Also how
>
> >did
>
> >>> >you
>
> >>> >>
>
> >>> >>> >> >guys get my email shot in the dark at TUG?
>
> >>> >>> >> >
>
> >>> >>> >> >bob
>
> >>> >>> >> >
>
> >>> >>> >> >bob jantzen
>
> >>> >>> >> >http://www34.homepage.villanova.edu/robert.jantzen/
>
> >>> >>> >>
>
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> >>> >>> >> >From: Philip Taylor <P.Taylor at Hellenic-Institute.Uk>
>
> >>> >>> >> >Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 7:24 AM
>
> >>> >>> >> >To: Dr Alan Litchfield <alan at alphabyte.co.nz>; Robert
>
> >Jantzen
>
> >>> >>> >> ><robert.jantzen at villanova.edu>
>
> >>> >>> >> >Cc: texhax at tug.org
>
> >>> >>> >> >Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: TeX on Windows?
>
> >>> >>> >> >
>
> >>> >>> >> >Dr Alan Litchfield wrote:
>
> >>> >>> >> >
>
> >>> >>> >> >[Download the iso image and] mount it onto your computer.
>
> >>> >>> >> >
>
> >>> >>> >> >Not possible under Windows 7, Alan, unless additional
>
> >>software
>
> >>> >is
>
> >>> >>
>
> >>> >>> >> >installed.  But to Bob :
>
> >>> >>> >> >
>
> >>> >>> >> >
>
> >>> >>> >> >I have been happily using PCTeX all these years, and will
>
> >>> >>continue
>
> >>> >>> >to
>
> >>> >>> >> >do so but it seems like PCTeX has left us in the past two
>
> >>years
>
> >>> >>> >since
>
> >>> >>> >> >I communicated with someone there at the company. Does
>
> >anyone
>
> >>> >>know
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> >>> >>> >> >what happened to them?
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> >>> >>> >> >website seems abandoned
>
> >>> >>> >> >Is there any other for pay product to replace it?
>
> >>> >>> >> >
>
> >>> >>> >> >Pass.  Although I used to pay for TeX back in the Kellerman
>
> >&
>
> >>> >>> >> >Smith days, I have not done so since then, and have never
>
> >>paid
>
> >>> >>for
>
> >>> >>> >> >a PC version.  Many years ago the late, great, Sebastian
>
> >>Rahtz
>
> >>> >>> >> >persuaded me to switch to TeX Live, and I have never looked
>
> >>> >back.
>
> >>> >>
>
> >>> >>> >> >In the past
>
> >>> >>> >
>
> >>> >>> >> >I would use the network installer, or download and burn the
>
> >>ISO,
>
> >>> >
>
> >>> >>> >> >or download and mount the ISO, but these days I use Rsynch
>
> >to
>
> >>> >>> >> >fetch the
>
> >>> >>> >
>
> >>> >>> >> >installation suite and install from my local copy.  The real
>
> >>> >>> >> >problem
>
> >>> >>> >
>
> >>> >>> >> >is that TeX Live is not a Windows product - it is a generic
>
> >>> >>> >> >product that has to support $2^n+1$ variant operating
>
> >systems
>
> >>> >>(how
>
> >>> >>> >> >many different ways can you spell "Linux" ?), and as a
>
> >result
>
> >>> >the
>
> >>> >>
>
> >>> >>> >> >documentation too has to be generic, which is distinctly
>
> >>> >>> >sub-optimal.
>
> >>> >>> >> >
>
> >>> >>> >> >I am certain that together the TeX user community will be
>
> >>able
>
> >>> >to
>
> >>> >>
>
> >>> >>> >> >assist you, but some background information will be vital,
>
> >>and
>
> >>> >it
>
> >>> >>
>
> >>> >>> >> >will almost certainly take several iterations before we
>
> >>achieve
>
> >>> >>> >> >complete success.  So, questions :
>
> >>> >>> >> >
>
> >>> >>> >> >  1.  Exactly which operating system are you running  2.
>
> >Are
>
> >>> >you
>
> >>> >>
>
> >>> >>> >> > able to access your computer as am administrator 3.
>
> >>> >>> >Do
>
> >>> >>> >> >you have fast Internet access from your computer ?  (where
>
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>
> >>> >>
>
> >>> >>> >> >=>
>
> >>> >>> >
>
> >>> >>> >> >better than 10Mbps) ?
>
> >>> >>> >> >
>
> >>> >>> >> >And to my fellow TeX and Windows users - given that one can
>
> >>> >>> >> >install (for example) Windows 7 from a USB stick, using the
>
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>
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>
> >>> >>> >> >USB/DVD download
>
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