On Sun, 1 May 2005, Philip TAYLOR wrote: > the boxed box /might/ be necessary if #2 might itself start or finish > with fil-glue, I think. oh yes, thanks a lot. Btw, here is another one using \halign: \def\xk#1#2{% \vbox{\offinterlineskip \halign{\hfil##\vphantom{Mg}\hfil\cr\fiverm#2\cr#1\cr}}% } XXX \xk{abc}{x} YYY Regards, Hartmut