[XeTeX] Babel

Khaled Hosny khaledhosny at eglug.org
Wed May 2 17:33:45 CEST 2012


I didn’t say it is bad or people should not be using it, but indirectly
claiming it is “problem-free” is very strong claim given how evasive it
is. 17000+ lines of code rewriting parts of a 100+ packages is not
something I’d force into people by making it a hard dependency of base
package like babel, no matter how useful it is as the whole approach is
fundamentally flawed and very fragile, this is IMO one of the very dark
sides of LaTeX.

On Thu, May 03, 2012 at 01:21:06AM +1000, Vafa Khalighi wrote:
> That was not my point. The point was, if one person does not like a package, it
> does not mean everyone else does not like it. BTW, based on what Bezos said, I
> do not think there will be any changes to rlbabel.def. bidi package is quite
> heaveily used and at least it is better/more complete than any other package
> providing bidi support for etex based engines. One should get familiar with the
> problems of bidirectional typesetting in etex to appreciate what bidi does.
> Sorry, but you can not write 10 lines of TeX code (just because you hate TeX
> coding) and believe falsely that things will be fine.
> 
> On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 1:10 AM, Khaled Hosny <khaledhosny at eglug.org> wrote:
> 
>     May be you should try reading what you are replying to, starting with
>     the quoted mails below (in the reverse order that resulted from your top
>     posting).
> 
>     On Thu, May 03, 2012 at 12:38:00AM +1000, Vafa Khalighi wrote:
>     > What are you talking about?
>     >
>     > On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 12:33 AM, Khaled Hosny <khaledhosny at eglug.org>
>     wrote:
>     >
>     >     Sure, so please don't make it required by a base package like babel.
>     >
>     >     On Thu, May 03, 2012 at 12:02:29AM +1000, Vafa Khalighi wrote:
>     >     > if you do not like it, do not use it. Simple!
>     >     >
>     >     > On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 11:59 PM, Khaled Hosny <
>     khaledhosny at eglug.org>
>     >     wrote:
>     >     >
>     >     >     And bidi, which rewrites half texmf/tex/latex/* tree is problem
>     free
>     >     :)
>     >     >
>     >     >     On Wed, May 02, 2012 at 04:59:02PM +1000, Vafa Khalighi wrote:
>     >     >     > babel can use bidi package for its bidirectional typesetting
>     rather
>     >     than
>     >     >     its
>     >     >     > own (rlbabel.def) which has too many problems.
>     >     >     >
>     >     >     > On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 4:54 PM, Javier Bezos <
>     >     listas at tex-tipografia.com>
>     >     >     wrote:
>     >     >     >
>     >     >     >     Hi all,
>     >     >     >
>     >     >     >     Babel gets back on track and it is again actively
>     maintained.
>     >     The
>     >     >     >     goals are mainly to fix bugs, to make it compatible with
>     XeTeX
>     >     and
>     >     >     >     LuaTeX (as far as possible), and perhaps to add some
>     minor new
>     >     >     >     features (provided they are backward compatible).
>     >     >     >
>     >     >     >     No attempt will be done to take full advantage of the
>     features
>     >     >     >     provided by XeTeX and LuaTeX, which would require a
>     completely
>     >     >     >     new core (as for example polyglossia or as part of
>     LaTeX3).
>     >     >     >
>     >     >     >     Your comments or suggestions (or questions!) are
>     welcomed.
>     >     >     >
>     >     >     >     Javier
>     >     >     >
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