[XeTeX] Greek XeLaTeX

Tobias Schoel liesdiedatei at googlemail.com
Tue Oct 12 18:18:10 CEST 2010


Am 12.10.2010 15:03, schrieb Fr. Michael Gilmary:
> Philip Taylor (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote:
>> I genuinely believe that we should
>> be moving towards a more inclusive society, in which each can
>> express his or her ideas in his or her own native language.
> But Philip ... isn't that precisely the *opposite* of "inclusive"? It
> seems to be the same with so-called "inclusive" language (this, I
> believe is a very recent English-speaking phenomenon): in fact, it
> actually /divides/ male and female rather than including them together
> under some universal term. This, however, is the limit of our language
> that needs to be accepted. I don't think it can be changed.
This phenomenon is common to modern usage of the German language as 
well. Universal groub identifiers like "painter" (in German: "Maler") 
have an excluvely female version "paintress" (in German: "Malerin"). 
People think, that means that the universal identifier 
("painter"/"Maler") is exclusvely male, as well. That's why they always 
speak of "paintresses and painters" ("Malerinnen und Maler") [Btw: They 
always name the female version first. No comment on that.], or in recent 
years of "MalerInnen" (pronounced with a short pause before the capital I).

And when I speak of all of them without regard of the sex (or gender), 
because sex (or gender) doesn't mean anything to me (most of the times), 
using the universal identifier, they call me "sexist". No comment on that.

> Speaking from experience, in the world of Catholic parishes, when there
> was /one/ liturgical language for Roman rite Catholics (Latin), one
> could go anywhere in the world and find a prayer by which to commune
> with others. Not uncommon in wartime (esp. in Europe) a soldier from one
> army could serve Mass for a chaplain from the opposing army --- it
> wasn't unknown to happen. Interesting, no?
But does the usual "one" understand latin? Isn't the use of latin 
dividing between those who understand it and those who don't? (So use of 
the English language for TeX _is_ dividing between those who speak 
English and those who don't.) But if I recall my school years correctly, 
understanding wasn't really important to Catholics. ;-)

> Now, to illustrate the point from present time, in typical parishes here
> in the US, you'll find the English (i.e., American) Mass, the Spanish
> Mass, the Polish, Vietnamese, etc. Whatever benefits it brings, it
> certainly /divides/ the community in one parish, since the English
> speaking parishioners are unlikely ever to attend the Vietnamese Mass.

Aren't the songs mostly the same? So a "good" Catholic (one who attends 
church regularly) should know the contents of the song by the music. (I 
know I'm mean.) ;-)
>> Computers are the very tools that make this feasible : is it
>> not time that we started to exploit them more fully, for the benefit
>> of all ?
> Many benefits come from computers, and esp. from *this* community of
> XeTeX friends --- and for that, I'm grateful. If others can tailor (pun
> intended, Philip) the software to their needs, it's fine with me.

Yes, indeed. But it would be even finer, if others would tailor them 
modularly and as foss. I hope this will happen.



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