[XeTeX] Em-dash

Wilfred van Rooijen wvanrooijen at yahoo.com
Tue May 4 14:01:59 CEST 2010


But is this keyboard so expensive because of the technology or because of the "design" (which, by the way, I find to be fairly conservative :-))  )

Wilfred

--- On Tue, 4/5/10, John Was <john.was at ntlworld.com> wrote:

From: John Was <john.was at ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: [XeTeX] Em-dash
To: "Unicode-based TeX for Mac OS X and other platforms" <xetex at tug.org>
Date: Tuesday, 4 May, 2010, 5:23 PM



 
 

Hello
 
Well if money is no object try 
this:
 
http://www.artlebedev.com/everything/optimus/
 
Unfortunately I'm too busy emptying my bank 
account with important things like wind-up gramophones....
 
In case of difficulty, don't forget the third 
way of communicating with the computer - SHOUT.
 
 
John
 
 
 

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: 
  Wilfred van 
  Rooijen 
  To: Unicode-based TeX for Mac OS X and other 
  platforms 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 9:11 AM
  Subject: Re: [XeTeX] Em-dash
  

  
    
    
      Hi all,

This seems to be precisely the issue. 
        Xetex can read and understand all unicode characters, but at this time, 
        the only way to communicate with the computer is through the keyboard 
        and the mouse. Thus, there will always be issues with "special 
        characters". I don't know if it exists, and if not it may be interesting 
        to develop, but a keyboard with LCD keys would be nice. Then one can 
        switch layout, and the characters on the keys appear differently. Of 
        course, there would still be strange side-effects, such as a CJK space, 
        which is really a 2-byte space, and xetex does not treat it as a regular 
        space (rather, treats it like ~, I 
        suppose).

Cheers,
Wilfred

--- On Tue, 4/5/10, Juan 
        Francisco Fraile Vicente <juanfranciscofv at gmail.com> 
        wrote:

        
From: 
          Juan Francisco Fraile Vicente 
          <juanfranciscofv at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [XeTeX] 
          Em-dash
To: "Unicode-based TeX for Mac OS X and other platforms" 
          <xetex at tug.org>
Date: Tuesday, 4 May, 2010, 4:48 PM


          Which is that compose key on Linux?
          

          I think all of you have a part of reason, but we have to remember 
          that one of the best things of the world of TeX is the multiple 
          options that offers. Erasing that conventions would be a 
          loss. 
          Although I agree (it's difficult to see --- sometimes and the 
          source code may result in low readability), XeTeX is everyday more 
          known for linguists that work with several languages. And the great 
          characteristic of XeTeX is a more comfortable environment for working 
          with several languages (that it is possible in LaTeX, but some time 
          ago it was not so easy for some of us if working with Unicode).
          Many people working with documents in several languages have the 
          same problem: it's necessary to change again and again between 
          language-keyboard. And every keyboard usually puts diacritical marks, 
          dashes, points and other chars where the designer wanted/preferred. In 
          this way those methods of LaTeX are very productive: LaTeX accents, 
          for instance, make much easier to put vocalic quantities in Latin, or 
          marks for textual criticism in Greek like a point under a greek 
          letter. These are two examples only, and I agree with some  of 
          you that suggest to learn the keyboard distribution, but sometimes 
          it's more difficult than it seems (for instance, in Spain we have our 
          own distribution, specially different because it includes our 'ñ', and 
          if I change to Greek layout on Linux is really different and few 
          intuitive for Spanish users). I am designing a layout for Ancient 
          Greek for Spanish keyboard and people who will use it will have to 
          learn where I put the em-dash for instance, but if they work with 
          XeTeX and those codes of LaTeX, this question is independent of the 
          keyboard, the system or the editor, I think.
          

          Sorry if I have made any mistake talking about XeTeX, I will be 
          always a **TeX learner...
          

          Best regards,
          

          Juan Francisco 


          2010/5/4 Andrew Moschou <andmos at gmail.com>

          On Linux, there is the compose key, on Mac, there 
            is the option/alt key, and both are very convenient. On Windows, 
            there are the alt key codes but these are very inconvenient, instead 
            you can use the program AllChars (allchars.zwolnet.com) which imitates the behaviour 
            of the compose key. I use these methods and have learnt the few 
            combinations that represent the common unicode characters (dashes 
            and quote marks apart from accented letters).

I would argue 
            that using the proper characters increases readability of the source 
            code: e.g. J\"urgen Strau\ss{} is harder to read than Jürgen 
            Strauß.

The tricky thing about the various dashes is that, 
            with a monospaced font, it is hard to work out what sort of dash you 
            are looking at (they're all the same length).

Andrew
            
            
            


            On 4 May 2010 13:15, Wilfred van Rooijen 
            <wvanrooijen at yahoo.com> 
            wrote:

            I'd have to somehow input the character 
              directly, and I am sure that there are ways to do that, but those 
              will not increase readability of the source code 
            :-))



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