<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 at 14:44, Jonathan Fine <<a href="mailto:jfine2358@gmail.com">jfine2358@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Hi</div><div><br></div><div dir="auto">I fully support Howard Vie's motion. Some wish for our dormant funds to be applied to promote and develop TeX. Some wish that UK TUG continues. Howard's motion shows that these two wholesome wishes are consistent. This solves many problems.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>
This is voting for yet another year of inaction. It solves no problems at all. The subject of winding up or not has been essentially the only subject at the last two AGM (and sporadically for the last 20 years) There is no indication of who would be on such a committee or what any such constitution would say, just some hope that these unnamed persons can find something acceptable to write down.</div><div><br></div><div>We should wind up UKTUG. As has already been shown if there are useful activities that can be carried on, distributing DVDs, a UK based tex email list, the old uktug FAQ, or whatever, they can be done without any need for UKTUG to be kept going for another year and carrying on the kind of pointless pseudo-legal discussions that have blocked this list for the last month, and which have made the internal uktug committee discussions largely dysfunctional as far as I can tell (and was my experience when I was on the committee)<br></div><div><br></div><div>We should wait until the voting procedures are announced before deciding on which motions to vote for and whether it makes sense to vote for more than one. It would have been better really to have had just one motion (Jay's, on behalf of the committee) to wind up and then we could have had a simple yes/no vote but we are where we are.<br></div><div><br></div><div>David</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Here is the text of Howard's motion:</div><div dir="auto">===</div><div dir="auto">That UK-TUG continue to function, with the proviso that<br>(a) the Committee draft an updated Constitution to better reflect outcomes achievable by the group, and arranges for the members to consider this update as required by the current Constitution;<br>(b) the Committee reduce asset holdings in line with part (a), donating dormant resources to TUG and DANTE<br></div><div dir="auto">===</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div>I will be voting for this motion. If you also support this motion, please say so on this list. Passing this motion will give both sides something to celebrate!</div><div><br></div><div>Happy TeXing</div><div><br></div><div>Jonathan</div></div>
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