<html><head></head><body style="zoom: 0%;"><div dir="auto">I've not read all of this thread. You seem to be discussing order of motions and are discovering that ordered motions have disadvantages. Joseph and I thought that it might be possible to allow each motion to be discussed in its own separate thread, but in parallel. I assume each member still has one vote per motion. What does it mean if both "dissolve" and "continue" motions pass? I think the motion with most positive votes gets priority. <br></div>
<div dir="auto">Your comments<br><br></div>
<div dir="auto">BTW, dissolve forthwith means effective now. Not at the end of the meeting. Hence constitution stipulation about timing of motions directing surplus funds. <br></div>
<div dir="auto">2019 motion on surplus funds had an if in it. The condition was not and cannot now be met. The motion passed but makes /made no direction to do anything. There is precedent for motions of the form <br></div>
<div dir="auto">If <condition> then <action><br></div>
<div dir="auto">Hth jay<br><br><br></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote" >On 15 Oct 2021, at 16:54, Jonathan Fine <<a href="mailto:jfine2358@gmail.com" target="_blank">jfine2358@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
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I have wasted some time which I apologise, and even more of my own (which I deeply regret). Please ignore for now my previous message and respond only to this one.
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I feel most uncomfortable at the order paper being so arranged that the mover of a motion can be denied the opportunity to speak to the motion (except through an explicit procedural motion). UK TUG general meetings have operated on the principle that all motions are heard.
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In more detail, your proposal would allow the SGM to prevent the discussion of valid motions on the order paper, as a consequence of voting to dissolve UK-TUG before the motion comes up for debate. So far as I can recall, every general meeting of UK-TUG has discussed all motions on the order paper.
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Your proposal would reverse the custom and practice that every motion should have its time at the general meeting (unless prevented by an explicit procedural motion, such as that the motion not be put or that the meeting be closed).
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The SGM can if it wishes by procedural motions prevent the discussion of any motion on the order paper. To arrange the order paper so a substantial motion prevents the discussion of another motion is contrary to custom and practice. The reasons you give have logic behind them, but I find the conclusion unacceptable.
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with kind regards
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