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<p>Hi Jonathan,</p>
<p>I do not think that discussion of committee motions should go to
uktug-announce. <br>
</p>
<p>Nevertheless, since you chose to misinterpret me so publicly, I
shall reply to you and UKTUG announce.</p>
<p>when I discover from Joseph which uktug committee address is
correct for discussion, perhaps I should copy this there as well
for the record.<br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:28306810-c2f5-df71-a1bc-d3b789d41b92@morningstar2.co.uk">On
10/08/2021 10:35, Jonathan Fine wrote: <br>
<blockquote type="cite">Dear Jay
<br>
<br>
I had an unpleasant surprise this morning. </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<p>that's because you leapt to an erroneous conclusion.</p>
<p>In relation to you, I also leap to pessimistic conclusions. I'm
pleased to be proved wrong when it happens. We don't have a
comfortable relationship I'm sorry to say.</p>
<p>You asked for an explanation. I can't explain an action I did not
take. Here's a brief clarification, I hope it satisfies you.<br>
</p>
<br>
<p>JF resumes: You've moved a motion that stops
</p>
<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:28306810-c2f5-df71-a1bc-d3b789d41b92@morningstar2.co.uk">
<blockquote type="cite">UK TUG receiving or making online
payments, effective from midnight 17
<br>
August until December this year. I'd be most grateful if you
would tell us
<br>
why you have taken this step.
<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<p>I haven't taken this step.</p>
<p>Jon (treasurer) is making and capable of receiving online
payments via the current account at our bank. He's made payments
that way already & is about to pay our web hosting dues.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>The PayPal account is unworkable. Jon and I don't have access to
it at all. Joseph has limited access to it.</p>
<p>The actions referred to here are explicit in the motion I append
below.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>I hope you could vote for action 1 it's the only sensible option
left open to us.</p>
<p>actions 2 and 3 are more political. But not very.<br>
</p>
<p>action 2: update website.</p>
<p>We could accept new members who paid our current account by
online transfer if the website were suitably updated. Most
banking apps offer (UK) bank to bank transfers</p>
<p>I do not believe we will have (m)any applications for new
membership between now and the end of the membership year.
Historically, 5 would be a high number. 0-2 is more likely, and
given we are well through the year, I'm expecting them to be on
the low side of that.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p> I leave the details of the website update to Joseph. Any
constructive support from committee members would be welcome.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>action 3<br>
</p>
<p>We have no pressing need for a PayPal account . None between now
and ... the next AGM or UKTUG closure, whichever is the sooner.</p>
<p>Just in case UKTUG continues, the incoming committee will have a
motion that <b>enables </b>them to start a fresh PayPal account
before renewal time. <br>
</p>
<p>The if clause means that the incoming committee can decide that
PayPal is or is not required and act accordingly.<br>
</p>
<p>I consider action 3 a favour to any incoming committee, not a
restriction on UKTUG ability to function.</p>
<p>--------------</p>
<p>that's the clarification.</p>
<p>If you can't vote for action 1, (kill PayPal account) I can give
more detail on the unworkability of the PayPal account from what
Jon and Joseph have told me.</p>
<p>if you don't like action 2, (update website) I don't feel I can
convince you to change your mind. I will consider amendments if
you wish to be constructive.<br>
</p>
<p>If you still don't like action 3, As you have my motivation for
it, and understand that it does not restrict UKTUG's freedom of
action, again, I have no more arguments to offer. I think of it as
meaning "don't waste time now opening a PayPal account we are not
going to use, maybe later." </p>
<p>please vote <br>
</p>
<p>Jay Hammond</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:CALD=Yf8Urfg7GUoGvZXDwJL4VLf2DCkSsTPtDHpFf1evEFSNyw@mail.gmail.com">
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<div>The motion is available at</div>
<div><a href="cid:part1.2824DA73.3CF823A4@jjnr.uk"
moz-do-not-send="false">https://tug.org/pipermail/uktug-committee-motions/2021q3/000657.html</a><br>
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</blockquote>
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<pre>Motion:
that UKTUG take the three linked actions below.
UKTUG closes its current PayPal account forthwith.
UKTUG updates the UKTUG website to reflect this change.
UKTUG opens a fresh PayPal account no sooner than December 2021,
if required for 2022 memberships.
The reason for the motion:
The existing PayPal account cannot be operated properly or securely, is
inaccessible to the treasurer. It seems impossible to rectify this using
the existing security credentials.
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