[UK-TUG] SEGM impose penalties for not voting!

[John Bradford]

Chris,

Thank you.  I don't recall joining, so perhaps I just happened to end up 
on the distribution list.  If so, can I please be removed from the 
distribution list.

Regards,

John Bradford



On Sat 3 Dec 11 10:50, Chris Weeks wrote:
> If I can help a bit. UKTUG is the UK TeX users group. Perhaps John
> Bradford joined at one time or just happened to end up on the
> distribution list. Maybe he has forgotten.
>
> I am an outsider, in the sense that I am retired and not very active.
> But I use LaTeX still and value the presence of a users group. UKTUG
> is important in providing a forum and support. In addition the UKTUG
> has recently been running valuable courses for learners, especially
> useful for students needing to present dissertations in an attractive
> and readable way. This is particularly important where mathematical
> symbols are involved (the original stimulus for TeX), but also very
> useful for handling extras like bibliography files. The other major
> benefit of LaTeX is that it handles the display and presentation of
> the text and should leave the writer to think more clearly about
> content.
>
> It is difficult for distant members to be involved and this makes it
> seem that the organisational procedures seem irrelevant. But as with
> all these organisations, the work tends to fall on a few and I think
> we should support them, at the very least to vote.
>
> Insufficient members attending the AGM means that an electronic
> special general meeting [SEGM] has been called.
>
> Chris Weeks
>
>
> On 3 December 2011 09:58, John Bradford<johnmbradford at hotmail.com>  wrote:
>> Jay,
>>
>> I've no idea who you are, or what on earth you're talking about.
>>
>> What am I supposed to be voting for, and what do you want me to resign from?
>>   Whatever it is, if you're a member, I'll happily resign.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> John Bradford
>>
>> PS  What is [UK-TUG] and what is SEGM?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri 2 Dec 11 23:41, Jay Hammond wrote:
>>> Dear members
>>>
>>> please vote. If you don't, I think you should resign instead. You owe
>>> it to UKTUG to help keep the show on the road. And if you don't think
>>> UKTUG should function, you should vote to wind it up or resign.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The AGM was inquorate. That left UKTUG in difficulty.  As I
>>> understand it, we are supposed to have an AGM, and that AGM is
>>> supposed to do certain business.  This SEGM  is a more democratic way
>>> of resuming the AGM, but it is not, formally speaking, the AGM.
>>>
>>> The constitution states the AGM,  if inquorate, is to be resumed (at
>>> a new time and place, notice being given) and that the quorum is -
>>> well whichever members turn up, even if that's only the chair and
>>> their dog. i.e. possibly just 1 member. They can decide what they
>>> like with whatever consequences that has.
>>>
>>> So being inquorate is really bad news for UKTUG. In fact I would go
>>> so far as to say it is not in the interest of UKTUG to be inquorate.
>>>
>>> That does not sound very radical. But there is a clause in the
>>> constitution that permits the committee to eject a member for not
>>> acting in the interest of UKTUG. And I'm arguing that not voting at
>>> the AGM (even by proxy) is behaviour that  leads to inquoracy and
>>> difficulties for UKTUG.  I did propose to the committee that all
>>> nonvoting members be asked to resign.
>>>
>>> If you think that's a bad idea, please let me know (and vote anyway!)
>>>
>>>
>>> Jay Hammond
>>>
>>> homemade at talktalk.net
>>>
>>>
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