<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jan 19, 2023, at 02:00 , Bruno Voisin <<a href="mailto:bvoisin@icloud.com" class="">bvoisin@icloud.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Now, whatever I do (close and reopen TLU, change the update checks from weekly to daily, close and reopen System Settings, restart the Mac), it's always as in the second screenshot above: TeX Live Utility login item in alphabetical order with proper icon.</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>Above and beyond, as always, Bruno! Many thanks.</div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">So things seem to be as they should, and my earlier observation the result of a mixture of old and new TLU setups.</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""></div></blockquote><br class=""></div><div>Unsurprising, and don't spend time trying to diagnose it by changing TLU settings. I learned about the fix for this from Michael Tsai, and he says it only works some of the time, and I think that's clearly an Apple bug:</div><br class=""><div class=""><a href="https://mjtsai.com/blog/2022/12/27/ventura-issues/" class="">https://mjtsai.com/blog/2022/12/27/ventura-issues/</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Snippet from his post under "System Settings"</div><div class=""><ul style="font-family: Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><li class="">I get <a href="https://mjtsai.com/blog/2022/07/28/ventura-notifies-user-of-new-login-items/" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" class="">notifications for new login items</a> that <a href="https://mastodon.social/@lapcatsoftware@mstdn.plus/109557964299658620" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" class="">haven’t actually changed</a>. For example, checking a box in app A that adds a login item sometimes triggers a notification for app B (which hasn’t changed) and <em class="">no</em> notification for app A. I also get notifications for app B when deleting the plist file for app A. Sometimes I even get <em class="">multiple</em> notifications for app B (the wrong app) all at once.</li><li class="">The information in <strong class="">Login Items ‣ Allow in Background</strong> is inconsistent and unreliable. Sometimes, using <a href="https://developer.apple.com/forums/thread/713493" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);" class="">AssociatedBundleIdentifiers</a> works to display the name of the app instead of the name on the signing certificate; sometimes it doesn't; and sometimes it reverts to (part of) the name of the plist file even though nothing has changed. Some items change back and forth from verified to <strong class="">from an unidentified developer</strong> seemingly for no reason.</li></ul><div class=""><font face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif" class=""><br class=""></font></div></div><div class=""><font face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif" class=""><br class=""></font></div><div class=""><font face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif" class="">thanks again,</font></div><div class=""><font face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif" class="">Adam</font></div><div class=""><font face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif" class=""><br class=""></font></div></body></html>