<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><br></div><br><br><div dir="ltr"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I provided the only test file in the whole thread that demonstrates<br>the error message under discussion and the error seems entirely<br>appropriate in this case..<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>The reason why I find the error message far from informative is because as long as it prevents compiling the file successfully is non-informative. And the reason as to why I find the implementation not to be correct, is sipmly because even by having an informative file as you said earlier - then that compilation is also read and compiled accordingly. You might call me Stubborn, but what good does it do to read an informative message if the implementation is incorrect. I'd rather read a non-informative message as long as the compilation matches somewhow the outcome.<br><br>I mean (looking sideways now in astonishment), let's have a scenario in where<br>you gradually start modifying macros and definitions around to break the entire<br>TeX infrastructure on the planet with informative messages during compilation (<br>I know it sounds far-fetched, but this is just an exapmle for crying out loud),<br>and on the other hand, these informative messages are deemed quite informative<br>and with good intention, especially coming from someone like you who's been<br>involved with the project for such a long time. Then, shortly after these<br>modifications take effect, a few people start asking you what those<br>modifications you committed were all about, and you start telling them that<br>you'd like to educate the public at large about the nooks and crannies of TeX<br>in general. I'm sure enough though, that even by taking into account that<br>you're a mathematician at heart, but so are a great many users who in turn,<br>will start asking you further questions about the changes, so your informative<br>end goal is not going to be taking too serious for long, before your faculties<br>that drove you to do such a thing are called into question in the process. And<br>unless, unless everyone else follows course, and loses the faculties at the<br>same pace than you have<br>- an unlikely event though - your informative end goal is out the window. <br></div><div><br></div><div>This is akin - in a silly way though - to be stranded on a desert with no goods<br>whatsoever and coming across a sign that reads Water Ahead. The message reads<br>that there must be water somewhere. The message is thus an informative message.<br>Then one keeps walking and walking and after so many kilometers there's another<br>sign that reads pretty much along the same lines than the previous one. It<br>turns out that the information may have been correct all along, but the<br>distance to travel to get to where the water is at, wasn't specified, so by the<br>time one gets anywhere close to where the water is, one is completely drained<br>and dehydrated. Then the information is as irrelevant as not being able to find<br>water in the first place, even though the message was nonetheless correct to<br>point out that the water was somewhere. So yes, most people will choose water<br>over a sign, regardless how informative that sign is.<br></div><div> </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 2:08 AM David Carlisle <<a href="mailto:d.p.carlisle@gmail.com" target="_blank">d.p.carlisle@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On Mon, 8 Jul 2019 at 22:12, Carlos <<a href="mailto:linguafalsa@gmail.com" target="_blank">linguafalsa@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> And you or Mittlebach or Karl for that matter could get a hold of Knuth and ask him<br>
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I could not possibly do that after all these messages I still have no<br>
idea what you think is a bug. You have provided no test file that<br>
shows a problem nor said what behaviour you want to change, only<br>
stated that you find the existing error message confusing.<br>
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I provided the only test file in the whole thread that demonstrates<br>
the error message under discussion and the error seems entirely<br>
appropriate in this case..<br>
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If you want to make a bug report supply a test file<br>
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