[texhax] Complex rule for citations of papers with multiple authors.

Torsten Wagner torsten.wagner at gmail.com
Wed Apr 27 08:37:05 CEST 2016


without the first sentences in your post.  I would have answered.
Don't care, just finish your paper and submit it and let the publisher
people take care if they do such a non-sense. I hate that authors
waste hours over hours to press there manuscripts into a format which
was carelessly given by someone without a clue what he/she, (e.g. an
well established senior scientist in the role of being the
editor-in-chief, with outstanding scientific contribution, but yet
being barley capable to use MS Word, and lets  not tal about LaTeX
skills) is doing. Just count the enormous amount of time, scientists
waste on formatting according to stupid format rules. We might have
had a break through against a disease like AIDS or came up with cold
fusion reactor, if we simply used that accumulated time for research.
;) Thus, I say, if they don't care to make a reasonable format why
should the authors care.

Well, in your case you seem to be the person in charge (or at least
partially) and since you seems to take care by posting here you also
seems NOT to be clueless and well aware of the problem. Thus, you
might figure out a bib-style to solve your problem. However, this will
only help LaTeX users. Word and other people still waste enormous
amount of time. Why not trying to convince the people of the journal
to switch to an more standard way of  citation. One which is supported
by most programs and which can be found in many other journals.

I worked on both sides of the publishing chain and my experience is,
that very often those decisions where done without much thoughts and
if someone, esp. from the publishing side,  point to the problem
people in charge are willing to change it.

Just my 2 cents


On 19 February 2016 at 23:22, Rolf Turner <r.turner at auckland.ac.nz> wrote:
> Thanks very much; this is encouraging.  The hacking may be a bit beyond my
> capabilities, but I may be able to get technical people from Wiley to help
> me out.  Or I *might* even be able to do it myself!!! :-)
> Thanks again.
> cheers,
> Rolf
> On 20/02/16 05:45, Schneider wrote:
>> Rolf:
>>> The journal of which I am Technical Editor has the following rules about
>>> citing papers with multiple authors:
>>> (1) For one author use the form "Green (1999)".
>>> (2) For two authors use the form "Black & Tan (1993)"
>>> (3) For three authors, use all names "Red, White & Blue (2001)" the first
>>> time, and then "Red et al. (2001)" subsequently.
>>> (4) For four or more authors, always use the form "Gray et al. (2007)".
>>> I would like to have a bibliography style that effected these rules
>>> automagically.  Is this possible?  Is there a way in which I could modify
>>> the Journal's current bibliography style file ("anzsj.bst") to get it to
>>> effect these rules?
>>> I have the feeling that (1), (2) and (4) should be straightforward, but
>>> (3)
>>> could be tricky.
>> The Journal of Molecular Biology bib style does that kind of thing:
>> https://alum.mit.edu/www/toms/ftp/jmb.bst
>> That's the latest version that I've worked on,
>> % version = 1.37 of jmb.bst 2000 Nov 29
>> However, this version uses numbers in the text, you would have
>> to undo that setting.
>> In CTAN or Texlive:
>> https://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/biblio/bibtex/contrib/jmb?lang=en
>> there is an older version:
>> % version = 1.21 of jmb.bst 1992 June 29
>> This works and gives spelled out references in the text.
>> Just call:
>> \bibliographystyle{jmb}
>> This was derived from apalike which should be part of your Texlive
>> package.
>> Just call:
>> \bibliographystyle{apalike}
>> Note that bst is a weird stack language.  It is quite programmable and
>> so things like this (conditional ifs) are possible.
>> I put this together in an example directory:
>> https://alum.mit.edu/www/toms/threeauth/
>> (Note that I use links and atchange to run things from the command
>> line conveniently. https://alum.mit.edu/www/toms/atchange.html)
>> \bibliographystyle{jmb}
>> This gets most of what you want - with '&' instead of 'and' but it
>> doesn't do 3 authors correctly.  You would have to hack the bst code
>> to get that case.
>> Tom
>>    Thomas D. Schneider, Ph.D.
>>    Senior Investigator
>>    National Institutes of Health
>>    National Cancer Institute
>>    Center for Cancer Research
>>    Gene Regulation and Chromosome Biology Laboratory
>>    Molecular Information Theory Group
>>    Frederick, Maryland  21702-1201
>>    schneidt at mail.nih.gov
>>    https://schneider.ncifcrf.gov (current link)
>>    https://alum.mit.edu/www/toms (permanent link)
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