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<p>There is one more thing that just came to my mind regarding <i>Zoom</i>
versus <i>Jitsi</i>. The former does not allow everyone to share
their screen at the same time. The latter allows it which makes it
so much more useful than <i>Zoom</i>: nobody has to stop sharing
so that anyone else can share their screen. Yes, it lags
sometimes. Why do we not rather support developing <i>Jitsi</i>
instead of giving energy to <i>Zoom</i>?<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 27.09.22 14:43, Zdenek Wagner wrote:<br>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">út 27. 9. 2022 v 13:04 odesílatel Christopher Dimech <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dimech@gmx.com"><dimech@gmx.com></a> napsal:
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 10:29 PM
From: "Ulrike Fischer" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:news3@nililand.de"><news3@nililand.de></a>
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:tex-live@tug.org">tex-live@tug.org</a>
Cc: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:texhax@tug.org">texhax@tug.org</a>
Subject: Re: Rethinking TeX in STEM: Online Thu 29 Sep: 6.30pm BST (UK time): From the TeX Hour
Am Tue, 27 Sep 2022 12:05:49 +0200 schrieb Christopher Dimech:
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Would you have required reference from authority source to the Jews you
found as you entered the extermination camps in German-occupied Europe.
Or reference from the people who sufferred frem the Soviet Gulag System.
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Misusing the horror of the extermination camps to make a petty
argument against a software is inacceptable and disrespectful to the
victims of these camps.
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This is where me disagree. It is a valid contrarian view for the absolute requirement
of documented proof by what some decide to call authority. Naturally, I am not here
to dictate how people run the event. For one thing, this shows how computer science and
computer engineering departments today are not providing much innovation to their
community. What people can do is to encourage their computer science and computer
engineering departments about the value of working on honest development of technology
that serves the best interests of those who use the software rather than some other entity.
I provided an explanation on valid reasons to thumb down the use of Zoom. But some got really
offended. I am used to the approach of individuals whose modus-operandi involve insults,
shame, guilt and the need to be right. People whose education has educated them out of it.
I did not have more to say than the initial comments. Yet I see quite a few starting freaking
out about it. It is the latter part that has been unnecessary. Who have I disrespected exactly.
The mathematical community has a reputation in the world that it can take criticism. But perhaps
Grigori Perelman was right to reject the community's accolades. So I shall continue to be his
friend and agree with him.
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">I am sorry being off topic but I do not understand it well. The zoom
server which hosts my meetings is physically located in the Czech
Technical University in Prague, Czech Republic, and is operated by the
best experts at network security. Can you explain me how exactly the
server is censored from China and how the personal data are leaked? I
will then forward it to the experts and they will certainly find a
solution and make it available to other hosts. Anyway, in both the
open source and closed source SW it is normal that people do not just
speak about vulnerabilities but they either fix them and publish the
patches or report them immediately to expert. Why you have not done
that? These vulnerabilities could have been fixed a long time ago if
you acted as you should.
In the open source world meritocracy is applied. Those who contribute
most have higher right to decide. Those who do not contribute can file
a feature request but they have no right to decide. I have good
experience with zoom, terrible experience with MS Teams and Jitsi is
difficult, it happened several times that other users were not able to
connect.
Anyway, if you develop an alternative to zoom which will be equally
stable and available at reasonable price, I will probably switch to
it.
Zdeněk Wagner
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