<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Folks,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">(Adam and Norbert, I copied you on this email because it discusses a problem during updating TeX Live on Apple's latest operating system. I've copied earlier email at the end so you can pick up the thread.)<br class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">In the next several months I'll concentrate on mathematics rather than TeX, so let me pass on what I know and let all of you handle this problem.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Both MacTeX and BasicTeX are constructed the same way. I install the full TeX Live, or the "small scheme" of TeX Live, using the TeX Live install script. For BasicTeX, but not MacTeX, I uncheck the option "make format files" in the TeX Live install script. Both are installed in /usr/local/texlive, and the texlive subfolder did not exist before installation.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Then I copy the installation, without modifying anything, to a folder named "Root" in the directory where I build MacTeX or BasicTeX and tell Apple's PackageMaker software to create an install package from the contents of this Root folder.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Notice that this method, by design, involves NO customization whatever. I never touch texlive.tipdb myself, or touch any other file in the distribution.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I do not build formats in BasicTeX because I want this package to be as small as possible. Instead, in the post install script I call sudo fmtutil-sys --all. Size is not so important in MacTeX, so I do build formats there; however the formats are rebuilt in the post install script if necessary.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I have followed exactly this process for many years, and have never had reports of trouble after updating the distribution. Reports of trouble that emerged yesterday suggest a problem only on Catalina, and possibly only for BasicTeX.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I have used the full MacTeX on beta copies of Catalina for several months without problems.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Richard Koch</div><div class=""><a href="mailto:koch@uoregon.edu" class="">koch@uoregon.edu</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">----------------</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Earlier items in the thread:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Hi,<br class=""><br class="">MacTeX and BasicTeX has different setup in texlive.tlpdb;<br class=""><br class="">BasicTeX:<br class="">depend opt_create_formats:0<br class=""><br class="">MacTeX:<br class="">depend opt_create_formats:1<br class=""><br class="">I don't know why BasicTeX does not recreate format ...<br class="">I think this behavior is inconvenient enough<br class=""><br class="">Hironobu<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">2019-10-12 (Sat.) 0:14 Herbert Schulz <<a href="mailto:herbs@wideopenwest.com" class="">herbs@wideopenwest.com</a>>:<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On Oct 11, 2019, at 10:06 AM, Lars Madsen <<a href="mailto:daleif@math.au.dk" class="">daleif@math.au.dk</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class="">Not sure if it is worth looking at<br class=""><br class="">A user on <a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://tex.stackexchange.com/q/511838/3929__;!5W9E9PnL_ac!S-UYsaBgmYc7vqwhL7P3vSs4KT5Cx30fnUxPetEeWB_l_KyXs4gACpEWLi1QwDE$" class="">https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://tex.stackexchange.com/q/511838/3929__;!5W9E9PnL_ac!S-UYsaBgmYc7vqwhL7P3vSs4KT5Cx30fnUxPetEeWB_l_KyXs4gACpEWLi1QwDE$</a> <br class=""><br class="">reported that updating basictex (the small MacTeX) did not trigger rebuilding the formats which is kinda critical after the latest latex kernel changes<br class=""><br class="">A manual<br class=""><br class="">sudo fmtutil-sys --all<br class=""><br class="">helped. Just wanted to pass it on if there was a general problem with it.<br class=""><br class="">Note that it is on Catalina if that makes a difference.<br class=""><br class="">A another person in the comments mentioned the same problem with a full MacTeX. Not sure if that person is also on calatina.<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">/Lars Madsen<br class="">Institut for Matematik / Department of Mathematics<br class="">Aarhus Universitet / Aarhus University<br class="">Mere info: <a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://au.dk/daleif@math__;!5W9E9PnL_ac!S-UYsaBgmYc7vqwhL7P3vSs4KT5Cx30fnUxPetEeWB_l_KyXs4gACpEWCIta6G0$" class="">https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://au.dk/daleif@math__;!5W9E9PnL_ac!S-UYsaBgmYc7vqwhL7P3vSs4KT5Cx30fnUxPetEeWB_l_KyXs4gACpEWCIta6G0$</a> / More information: <a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://au.dk/en/daleif@math__;!5W9E9PnL_ac!S-UYsaBgmYc7vqwhL7P3vSs4KT5Cx30fnUxPetEeWB_l_KyXs4gACpEW0Mqyd3s$" class="">https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://au.dk/en/daleif@math__;!5W9E9PnL_ac!S-UYsaBgmYc7vqwhL7P3vSs4KT5Cx30fnUxPetEeWB_l_KyXs4gACpEW0Mqyd3s$</a> <br class=""><br class=""><br class=""></blockquote><br class="">Howdy,<br class=""><br class="">I can't say about BasicTeX but I have no problem updating the full TeX Live 2019 (installed by MacTeX) under Catalina. I usually us teX Live Utility which is a front end to tlmgr as well as tlmgr directly.<br class=""><br class="">Good Luck,<br class=""><br class="">Herb Schulz<br class="">(herbs at wideopenwest dot com)</blockquote></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""> </div></div></body></html>