<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Fri, 7 Dec 2018 at 11:01, Norbert Preining <<a href="mailto:preining@logic.at" target="_blank">preining@logic.at</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hi Denis,<br>
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> │ <a href="https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4456067/windows-10-switch-out-of-s-mode" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4456067/windows-10-switch-out-of-s-mode</a><br>
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> This student had to get the (hopefully with no charge) "Switch out of<br>
> S mode" program (or extension, or whatever) and to accept that<br>
> "[s]witching out of S mode is one-way" and that "mak[ing] the switch,<br>
> [he] won't be able to go back to Windows 10 in S mode".<br>
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When was this **** introduced? I don't remember ever having switched out<br>
of whatever mode, and I can install a lot of programs...<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I think enterprises and universities have been asking for this due to the high</div><div>cost of dealing with Windows malware. There is also the high cost of systems</div><div>that can run native Windows compared to chromebooks that have become very</div><div>popular with schools due to the low cost.</div><div><br></div><div><<a href="https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/deployment/s-mode" target="_blank">https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/deployment/s-mode</a>>: </div><div><br></div></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Segoe UI",SegoeUI,"Segoe WP","Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Tahoma,Arial,sans-serif">S mode is an evolution of the S SKU introduced with Windows 10 April 2018 Update. It's a configuration that's available on all Windows Editions when enabled at the time of manufacturing. The edition of Windows can be upgrade at any time as shown below. However, the switch from S mode is a onetime switch and can only be undone by a wipe and reload of the OS.</span></div></div></blockquote><div class="gmail_quote"><div><br></div><div>MS has a FAQ which explains the limitations. These include conflicts with </div><div>developer tools. I expect S-mode will be showing up on enterprise and university </div><div>configurations of Windows 10. It remains to be seen how such organizations will deal</div><div>with the conflicts. </div><div><br></div><div>Not all apps witll run in S-mode, see: <<a href="https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/commandline/2017/05/18/will-linux-distros-run-on-windows-10-s/">https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/commandline/2017/05/18/will-linux-distros-run-on-windows-10-s/</a>></div><div><br></div><div>If your site policy requires S-mode you should look into front end apps such as RStudio </div><div>and Jupyter where you have a workbook in a browser and the processing is done on </div><div>some remote system, e.g., there is nothing to install on Windows. Many people are</div><div>already using latex via pandoc to produce PDF's using RStudio server. </div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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> I would be very surprised that the TL team would be able to make<br>
> `install-tl-windows.bat' become an app available in the Microsoft Store.<br>
> So this S(ecurity or hit?) mode will sadly refrain people from<br>
> installing TeX on their Windows computer...<br>
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Well, I think this is a problem with 99% of the software. Most software<br>
I use is not distributed via MS Store, and I guess this is generally so.<br>
I think this is just a stupid dead-end of Microsoft trials.<br>
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Norbert<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Microsoft has lots of users with a wide range of use cases. For large</div><div>organizations, they have conceeded the command line to linux and macOS. </div><div>Cost is the real driver: security conts real money in large organizations,</div><div>and so does Windows hardware. For this market, MS needs </div><div>chromebook level systems. The heavyweight Edge browser is being</div><div>replaced by one based on Google's Chromium engine.</div><div><br></div><div>The TeX community has work to do to provide guidance to people who </div><div>must work with S-mode on low-end hardware. See </div><div><<a href="http://rtalbert.org/the-case-for-chromebooks/">http://rtalbert.org/the-case-for-chromebooks/</a>> for a LaTeX user's experience </div><div>moving from a laptop to a chromebook. <br></div></div><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail-m_-355786647767427940m_-5447271117057787384m_-1330326092063931061gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div>George N. White III<br><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>