tlmgr deleted texlive-scripts

Pablo González L pablgonz at educarchile.cl
Tue Oct 28 00:26:32 CET 2025 

Hi, I think I've been able to reproduce the problem (and from my
perspective, it's a bug in tlmgr's logic). These are my directories
before the experiment:

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C:\texlive\2025\texmf-dist\scripts\texlive>dir
 El volumen de la unidad C es driveC
 El número de serie del volumen es: DA38-3A48

 Directorio de C:\texlive\2025\texmf-dist\scripts\texlive

27-10-2025  19:53    <DIR>          .
14-10-2025  22:14    <DIR>          ..
27-10-2025  19:53               929 fmtutil-sys.sh
27-10-2025  19:53               926 fmtutil-user.sh
27-10-2025  19:53            57.380 fmtutil.pl
14-10-2025  21:41             8.225 mktexlsr
27-10-2025  19:53            16.707 mktexlsr.pl
27-10-2025  19:53             4.007 mktexmf
27-10-2025  19:53             9.896 mktexpk
27-10-2025  19:53             5.913 mktextfm
14-10-2025  21:41            20.068 NEWS
27-10-2025  19:53             1.331 rungs.lua
14-10-2025  21:41               134 tl-errmess.ps1
14-10-2025  21:41           361.470 tlmgr.pl
14-10-2025  21:41            91.330 tlmgrgui.pl
14-10-2025  21:41             2.410 uninstall-windows.pl
14-10-2025  21:41               287 uninstq.ps1
27-10-2025  19:53               925 updmap-sys.sh
27-10-2025  19:53               922 updmap-user.sh
27-10-2025  19:53            88.076 updmap.pl
              18 archivos        670.936 bytes
               2 dirs  80.211.001.344 bytes libres
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C:\texlive\2025\tlpkg\backups>dir
 El volumen de la unidad C es driveC
 El número de serie del volumen es: DA38-3A48

 Directorio de C:\texlive\2025\tlpkg\backups

27-10-2025  19:54    <DIR>          .
27-10-2025  19:54    <DIR>          ..
27-10-2025  19:54         1.042.334 texlive-scripts.r76648.tar.lz4
               1 archivos      1.042.334 bytes
               2 dirs  80.211.378.176 bytes libres
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To reproduce the problem, I first restored to the previous version and
then deleted the copy:

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C:\texlive\2025\tlpkg\backups>tlmgr restore texlive-scripts 76648
Do you really want to restore texlive-scripts to revision 76648 (y/N): y
Restoring texlive-scripts, 76648 from
C:/texlive/2025/tlpkg/backups/texlive-scripts.r76648.tar.xz
running mktexlsr ...
done running mktexlsr.
running updmap-sys ...
done running updmap-sys.
tlmgr.pl: package log updated: C:/texlive/2025/texmf-var/web2c/tlmgr.log
tlmgr.pl: command log updated:
C:/texlive/2025/texmf-var/web2c/tlmgr-commands.log

C:\texlive\2025\tlpkg\backups>del texlive-scripts.r76648.tar.lz4

C:\texlive\2025\tlpkg\backups>dir
 El volumen de la unidad C es driveC
 El número de serie del volumen es: DA38-3A48

 Directorio de C:\texlive\2025\tlpkg\backups

27-10-2025  19:56    <DIR>          .
27-10-2025  19:55    <DIR>          ..
               0 archivos              0 bytes
               2 dirs  80.212.279.296 bytes libres
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Now the plan is to upgrade to the current version and have the download
fail to test what happens to the directories and files...so here we go:

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C:\texlive\2025\tlpkg\backups>tlmgr update --self --all -v
D:tlmgr version 75204 (2025-05-13 23:48:24 +0200)
D:maintree=C:/texlive/2025
D:appending to package log file: C:/texlive/2025/texmf-var/web2c/tlmgr.log
D:appending to command log file:
C:/texlive/2025/texmf-var/web2c/tlmgr-commands.log
D:Setting env var HTTPS_CA_FILE to
C:/texlive/2025/tlpkg/installer/curl/curl-ca-bundle.crt
D:tlmgr.pl:main: ::tldownload_server hash::
{enabled:1,errorcount:0,initcount:1,ua:LWP::UserAgent=HASH(0x2349da16c68)}
D:setup_programs: preferring system versions
D:(w32) trying to set up tar, default
C:/texlive/2025/tlpkg/installer/tar.exe, arg --version
D:Using shipped C:/texlive/2025/tlpkg/installer/tar.exe for tar (tested).
D:program curl found in path
D:program wget not usable from path
D:(w32) trying to set up wget, default
C:/texlive/2025/tlpkg/installer/wget/wget.exe, arg --version
D:Using shipped C:/texlive/2025/tlpkg/installer/wget/wget.exe for wget (tested).
D:TLUtils::setup_programs: checking for ssl enabled wget
D:TLUtils::setup_programs: wget has ssl, final wget args:
--no-check-certificate --user-agent=texlive/wget --tries=4
--timeout=30 -q -O
D:program lz4 not usable from path
D:(w32) trying to set up lz4, default
C:/texlive/2025/tlpkg/installer/lz4/lz4.exe, arg --version
D:Using shipped C:/texlive/2025/tlpkg/installer/lz4/lz4.exe for lz4 (tested).
D:program gzip found in path
D:program xz not usable from path
D:(w32) trying to set up xz, default
C:/texlive/2025/tlpkg/installer/xz/xz.exe, arg --version
D:Using shipped C:/texlive/2025/tlpkg/installer/xz/xz.exe for xz (tested).
D:Using checksum method digest::sha
D:Testing for gpg in gpg
D:Testing for gpg in gpg2
D:Testing for gpg in C:/texlive/2025/tlpkg/installer/gpg/gpg.exe
D:tlmgr.pl: No gpg found, verification implicitly requested,
continuing without verification
D:persistent connection set up, trying to get
https://ctan.dcc.uchile.cl/systems/texlive/tlnet/tlpkg/texlive.tlpdb.sha512
(for C:\Users\pablg\AppData\Local\Temp\OBNBdXYi9N\Ksn6zSK8Q0)
D:TLDownload::get_file: response error: 501 Protocol scheme 'https' is
not supported (LWP::Protocol::https not installed) (for
https://ctan.dcc.uchile.cl/systems/texlive/tlnet/tlpkg/texlive.tlpdb.sha512)
D:TLUtils::download_file: persistent connection ok, but download
failed: https://ctan.dcc.uchile.cl/systems/texlive/tlnet/tlpkg/texlive.tlpdb.sha512
D:TLUtils::download_file: retrying with other downloaders.
D:TLUtils::_download_file_program: curl
https://ctan.dcc.uchile.cl/systems/texlive/tlnet/tlpkg/texlive.tlpdb.sha512
C:\Users\pablg\AppData\Local\Temp\OBNBdXYi9N\Ksn6zSK8Q0
D:downloading https://ctan.dcc.uchile.cl/systems/texlive/tlnet/tlpkg/texlive.tlpdb.sha512
using curl --user-agent texlive/curl --retry 4 --retry-delay 4
--connect-timeout 30 --fail --location --silent --output
D:download of https://ctan.dcc.uchile.cl/systems/texlive/tlnet/tlpkg/texlive.tlpdb.sha512
succeeded
D:TLUtils::download_file: downloading using curl succeeded
D:gpg prog not defined, no checking of signatures
D:verify_checksum: returning -3 and no gpg available
D:C:\texlive\2025\texmf-dist\scripts\texlive\tlmgr.pl: TLPDB: no gpg
available, continuing anyway!
D:TLPDB.pm: trying to initialize from
https://ctan.dcc.uchile.cl/systems/texlive/tlnet/tlpkg/texlive.tlpdb
D:trying to download
https://ctan.dcc.uchile.cl/systems/texlive/tlnet/tlpkg/texlive.tlpdb.xz
to C:\Users\pablg\AppData\Local\Temp\OBNBdXYi9N\zlmmGSkddg
D:persistent connection set up, trying to get
https://ctan.dcc.uchile.cl/systems/texlive/tlnet/tlpkg/texlive.tlpdb.xz
(for C:\Users\pablg\AppData\Local\Temp\OBNBdXYi9N\zlmmGSkddg)
D:TLDownload::get_file: response error: 501 Protocol scheme 'https' is
not supported (LWP::Protocol::https not installed) (for
https://ctan.dcc.uchile.cl/systems/texlive/tlnet/tlpkg/texlive.tlpdb.xz)
D:TLUtils::download_file: persistent connection ok, but download
failed: https://ctan.dcc.uchile.cl/systems/texlive/tlnet/tlpkg/texlive.tlpdb.xz
D:TLUtils::download_file: retrying with other downloaders.
D:TLUtils::_download_file_program: curl
https://ctan.dcc.uchile.cl/systems/texlive/tlnet/tlpkg/texlive.tlpdb.xz
C:\Users\pablg\AppData\Local\Temp\OBNBdXYi9N\zlmmGSkddg
D:downloading https://ctan.dcc.uchile.cl/systems/texlive/tlnet/tlpkg/texlive.tlpdb.xz
using curl --user-agent texlive/curl --retry 4 --retry-delay 4
--connect-timeout 30 --fail --location --silent --output
D:download of https://ctan.dcc.uchile.cl/systems/texlive/tlnet/tlpkg/texlive.tlpdb.xz
succeeded
D:TLUtils::download_file: downloading using curl succeeded
D:decompressing
C:\Users\pablg\AppData\Local\Temp\OBNBdXYi9N\zlmmGSkddg to
C:\Users\pablg\AppData\Local\Temp\OBNBdXYi9N\YDbI7vuJyE
D:TLUtils::system_pipe: calling
C:\texlive\2025\tlpkg\installer\xz\xz.exe -dcf <
"C:\Users\pablg\AppData\Local\Temp\OBNBdXYi9N\zlmmGSkddg" >
"C:\Users\pablg\AppData\Local\Temp\OBNBdXYi9N\YDbI7vuJyE"
D:TLUtils::system_pipe: removing
C:\Users\pablg\AppData\Local\Temp\OBNBdXYi9N\zlmmGSkddg
D:found the uncompressed xz file
D:persistent connection set up, trying to get
https://ctan.dcc.uchile.cl/systems/texlive/tlnet/tlpkg/texlive.tlpdb.sha512
(for C:\Users\pablg\AppData\Local\Temp\OBNBdXYi9N\PJqyfvemjL)
D:TLDownload::get_file: response error: 501 Protocol scheme 'https' is
not supported (LWP::Protocol::https not installed) (for
https://ctan.dcc.uchile.cl/systems/texlive/tlnet/tlpkg/texlive.tlpdb.sha512)
D:TLUtils::download_file: persistent connection ok, but download
failed: https://ctan.dcc.uchile.cl/systems/texlive/tlnet/tlpkg/texlive.tlpdb.sha512
D:TLUtils::download_file: retrying with other downloaders.
D:TLUtils::_download_file_program: curl
https://ctan.dcc.uchile.cl/systems/texlive/tlnet/tlpkg/texlive.tlpdb.sha512
C:\Users\pablg\AppData\Local\Temp\OBNBdXYi9N\PJqyfvemjL
D:downloading https://ctan.dcc.uchile.cl/systems/texlive/tlnet/tlpkg/texlive.tlpdb.sha512
using curl --user-agent texlive/curl --retry 4 --retry-delay 4
--connect-timeout 30 --fail --location --silent --output
D:download of https://ctan.dcc.uchile.cl/systems/texlive/tlnet/tlpkg/texlive.tlpdb.sha512
succeeded
D:TLUtils::download_file: downloading using curl succeeded
D:gpg prog not defined, no checking of signatures
D:verify_checksum: returning -3 and no gpg available
D:C:\texlive\2025\texmf-dist\scripts\texlive\tlmgr.pl: TLPDB: no gpg
available, continuing anyway!
D:texlive-scripts remote revision 76658, texlive-scripts local revision 76648
D:tlmgr:setup_one_remote_tlpdb: writing out remote tlpdb to
C:/texlive/2025/tlpkg/texlive.tlpdb.main.602f87c2c45bb0a25d888908b9120b34
tlmgr.pl: package repository
https://ctan.dcc.uchile.cl/systems/texlive/tlnet (not verified: gpg
unavailable)
D:Automatic backups activated, keeping 1 backups.
tlmgr.pl: saving backups to C:/texlive/2025/tlpkg/backups
tlmgr.pl: no self-updates for tlmgr available
D:tlmgr.pl: new pkgs:
D:tlmgr.pl: deleted :
D:tlmgr.pl: forced  :
D:texlive-scripts upd package
D:selected compressor: C:\texlive\2025\tlpkg\installer\lz4\lz4.exe
with -zfmq, on C:/texlive/2025/tlpkg/backups/texlive-scripts.r76648.tar
D:tlchecksum(C:/texlive/2025/tlpkg/backups/texlive-scripts.r76648.tar.lz4):
===18e0e2bc97aa752a47e428005084e047c3ca13ff6b146e9dc1decd653ed75f5ad0c01692ddd29e48415b1a98a83e9d7603f94d9151c36fb40bd960dfe2c314fa===
D: done texlive-scripts.r76648.tar.lz4, size 1074479, csum
18e0e2bc97aa752a47e428005084e047c3ca13ff6b146e9dc1decd653ed75f5ad0c01692ddd29e48415b1a98a83e9d7603f94d9151c36fb40bd960dfe2c314fa
D:announce_execute_actions: given disable (for texlive-scripts)
D: TLPDB::remove_package: running remove postinstall
D:running postaction=remove for texlive-scripts
D:TLPDB::_install_data:
what=https://ctan.dcc.uchile.cl/systems/texlive/tlnet/archive/texlive-scripts.tar.xz,
target=C:/texlive/2025, size=115048,
checksum=b893d78cb35c3c3f0a6fa4af5d6455dab90a367b220dbf55a9b068df6d211fa27c3d03cfde9eba86f7a40af02411fe9752380d6b8c463a37e65d2c97d14babfb,
tmpdir=C:\Users\pablg\AppData\Local\Temp\OBNBdXYi9N\vpbmsmIL3O
D:persistent connection set up, trying to get
https://ctan.dcc.uchile.cl/systems/texlive/tlnet/archive/texlive-scripts.tar.xz
(for C:\Users\pablg\AppData\Local\Temp\OBNBdXYi9N\vpbmsmIL3O/texlive-scripts.tar.xz)
D:TLDownload::get_file: response error: 501 Protocol scheme 'https' is
not supported (LWP::Protocol::https not installed) (for
https://ctan.dcc.uchile.cl/systems/texlive/tlnet/archive/texlive-scripts.tar.xz)
D:TLUtils::download_file: persistent connection ok, but download
failed: https://ctan.dcc.uchile.cl/systems/texlive/tlnet/archive/texlive-scripts.tar.xz
D:TLUtils::download_file: retrying with other downloaders.
D:TLUtils::_download_file_program: curl
https://ctan.dcc.uchile.cl/systems/texlive/tlnet/archive/texlive-scripts.tar.xz
C:\Users\pablg\AppData\Local\Temp\OBNBdXYi9N\vpbmsmIL3O\texlive-scripts.tar.xz
D:downloading https://ctan.dcc.uchile.cl/systems/texlive/tlnet/archive/texlive-scripts.tar.xz
using curl --user-agent texlive/curl --retry 4 --retry-delay 4
--connect-timeout 30 --fail --location --silent --output
[1/1, ??:??/??:??] update: texlive-scripts [557k] (76648 -> 76658) ...
D:TLUtils::_download_file_program: wget
https://ctan.dcc.uchile.cl/systems/texlive/tlnet/archive/texlive-scripts.tar.xz
C:\Users\pablg\AppData\Local\Temp\OBNBdXYi9N\vpbmsmIL3O\texlive-scripts.tar.xz
D:downloading https://ctan.dcc.uchile.cl/systems/texlive/tlnet/archive/texlive-scripts.tar.xz
using C:\texlive\2025\tlpkg\installer\wget\wget.exe
--no-check-certificate --user-agent=texlive/wget --tries=4
--timeout=30 -q -O
D:TLUtils::download_file: tried to download using lwp curl wget, none succeeded
TLPDB::_install_data: downloading did not succeed (download_file
failed) for https://ctan.dcc.uchile.cl/systems/texlive/tlnet/archive/texlive-scripts.tar.xz
tlmgr.pl: Installation of new version of texlive-scripts failed,
trying to unwind.
D:TeXLive::TLUtils::check_file_and_remove
C:\Users\pablg\AppData\Local\Temp\OBNBdXYi9N\4ORbz9UeTa/texlive-scripts.r76648.tar.lz4,
-1, 0
D:TLUtils::system_pipe: calling
C:\texlive\2025\tlpkg\installer\lz4\lz4.exe -dcf <
"C:\Users\pablg\AppData\Local\Temp\OBNBdXYi9N\4ORbz9UeTa\texlive-scripts.r76648.tar.lz4"
> "C:\Users\pablg\AppData\Local\Temp\OBNBdXYi9N\4ORbz9UeTa\texlive-scripts.r76648.tar"
D:TLUtils::system_pipe: removing
C:\Users\pablg\AppData\Local\Temp\OBNBdXYi9N\4ORbz9UeTa\texlive-scripts.r76648.tar.lz4
D:TLUtils::untar: unpacking
C:\Users\pablg\AppData\Local\Temp\OBNBdXYi9N\4ORbz9UeTa/texlive-scripts.r76648.tar
in C:/texlive/2025
Cannot open tlpobj file:
C:/texlive/2025/tlpkg/tlpobj/texlive-scripts.tlpobj at
C:/texlive/2025/tlpkg/TeXLive/TLPOBJ.pm line 72.
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And now we look at the directories again:

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C:\texlive\2025\tlpkg\backups>dir
 El volumen de la unidad C es driveC
 El número de serie del volumen es: DA38-3A48

 Directorio de C:\texlive\2025\tlpkg\backups

27-10-2025  19:57    <DIR>          .
27-10-2025  19:57    <DIR>          ..
27-10-2025  19:57                 0 texlive-scripts.r76648.tar.lz4
               1 archivos              0 bytes
               2 dirs  80.215.515.136 bytes libres

(note texlive-scripts.r76648.tar.lz4 0 bytes)
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C:\texlive\2025\texmf-dist\scripts\texlive>dir
 El volumen de la unidad C es driveC
 El número de serie del volumen es: DA38-3A48

 Directorio de C:\texlive\2025\texmf-dist\scripts\texlive

27-10-2025  19:57    <DIR>          .
14-10-2025  22:14    <DIR>          ..
14-10-2025  21:41             8.225 mktexlsr
14-10-2025  21:41            20.068 NEWS
14-10-2025  21:41               134 tl-errmess.ps1
14-10-2025  21:41           361.470 tlmgr.pl
14-10-2025  21:41            91.330 tlmgrgui.pl
14-10-2025  21:41             2.410 uninstall-windows.pl
14-10-2025  21:41               287 uninstq.ps1
               7 archivos        483.924 bytes
               2 dirs  80.215.986.176 bytes libres
(note fmtutil* and more are delete)
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>From my perspective it is a mistake...but it can be easily solved by re-running:

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C:\texlive\2025\tlpkg\backups> tlmgr update --self --all
--reinstall-forcibly-removed
texlive-scripts package not found (?!), skipping version consistency check
tlmgr.pl: package repository
https://ctan.dcc.uchile.cl/systems/texlive/tlnet (not verified: gpg
unavailable)
tlmgr.pl: saving backups to C:/texlive/2025/tlpkg/backups
tlmgr.pl: no self-updates for tlmgr available
[1/1, ??:??/??:??] auto-install: texlive-scripts (76658) [557k] ... done
running mktexlsr ...
done running mktexlsr.
running updmap-sys ...
done running updmap-sys.
tlmgr.pl: package log updated: C:/texlive/2025/texmf-var/web2c/tlmgr.log
tlmgr.pl: command log updated:
C:/texlive/2025/texmf-var/web2c/tlmgr-commands.log
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C:\texlive\2025\texmf-dist\scripts\texlive>dir
 El volumen de la unidad C es driveC
 El número de serie del volumen es: DA38-3A48

 Directorio de C:\texlive\2025\texmf-dist\scripts\texlive

27-10-2025  20:16    <DIR>          .
14-10-2025  22:14    <DIR>          ..
27-10-2025  20:16               929 fmtutil-sys.sh
27-10-2025  20:16               926 fmtutil-user.sh
27-10-2025  20:16            57.380 fmtutil.pl
14-10-2025  21:41             8.225 mktexlsr
27-10-2025  20:16            16.707 mktexlsr.pl
27-10-2025  20:16             4.007 mktexmf
27-10-2025  20:16             9.896 mktexpk
27-10-2025  20:16             5.913 mktextfm
14-10-2025  21:41            20.068 NEWS
27-10-2025  20:16             1.331 rungs.lua
14-10-2025  21:41               134 tl-errmess.ps1
14-10-2025  21:41           361.470 tlmgr.pl
14-10-2025  21:41            91.330 tlmgrgui.pl
14-10-2025  21:41             2.410 uninstall-windows.pl
14-10-2025  21:41               287 uninstq.ps1
27-10-2025  20:16               925 updmap-sys.sh
27-10-2025  20:16               922 updmap-user.sh
27-10-2025  20:16            88.076 updmap.pl
              18 archivos        670.936 bytes
               2 dirs  80.211.787.776 bytes libres
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I've had this problem with other packages in the past, and I always use
`--self --all --reinstall-forcibly-removed` ...the only thing I can see
from these files is that the `LWP::Protocol::https` module is missing
(although curl is always preferred on Windows) and that something is
wrong with the update logic, although I think `texlive-scripts` should
be treated a little differently...without it, nothing works :D

Hope this helps

Saludos

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