Missing files in TL25

[Mikael Sundqvist]

Hi Norbert,

On Thu, Feb 27, 2025 at 4:30 PM Norbert Preining <norbert at preining.info> wrote:
>
> Hi Mikael,
>
> On Thu, 27 Feb 2025, Mikael Sundqvist wrote:
> > I did not check them all, but I happened (on linux) to get
> >
> > ./texmf-dist/doc/latex/bibarts/bibsort.exe
> >
> > when doing a full install. That looks a bit weird, and it also looks
> > out of place if it should be installed at all.
>
> Indeed, that should probably go. @Karl
>
> > I thought TUG decided what goes into TL. (In this case we also talk
> > about a font that is distributed by TUG, which to me makes it even a
> > bit more confusing.)
>
> The TeX Live maintainers decide what goes into TeX Live.
> And even with TUG - we don't treat commerical products from TUG any
> different than other commercial products.
>
> > If so, then why just these few ConTeXt files that only _mention_ filenames
>
> I don't remember which files you are talking about, but many of our
> decisions are based on:
>         Does this package do anything else but support commercial fonts?
>         If no -> don't include it.
>
> > If you grep for a few commercial fonts, you will find a lot mixed into
> > other innocent-looking files. For example AdobeSongStd, Sabon, Optima,
> > GillSans, ...
>
> Please report details. As said, one key factor is whether there is a
> non-commercial option available or not.

Many of them are map files (essentially what we ask for for Lucida),
and there are also many .tex, .dtx, and other files in /doc/ folders,
so often used in documentation.

AdobeSong (for example, there are many more):
texmf-dist/tex/latex/ctex/fontset/ctex-fontset-adobe.def:
\setCJKmainfont  { AdobeSongStd-Light.otf }
texmf-dist/doc/fonts/japanese-otf/doc/test/uplatex/utfmacro-kozuka.map:otf-ucmr-h
UniGB-UTF16-H AdobeSongStd-Light.otf
texmf-dist/fonts/map/dvipdfmx/ptex-fontmaps/adobe/otf-sc-adobe.map:otf-ccml-h
  Identity-H      AdobeSongStd-Light.otf

Sabon (also many more):
texmf-dist/fonts/map/fontname/adobe.map:psbr8a    Sabon-Roman
             A    088    sar_____
texmf-dist/fonts/map/fontname/linotype.map:l_____    Sabon-Roman
                     514.0

Optima:
texmf-dist/fonts/map/fontname/adobe.map:popr8a    Optima
             A    006    op______
texmf-dist/source/latex/fontspec/fontspec-doc-featset.tex:\setmainfont{Optima.ttc}{

GillSans:
texmf-dist/fonts/map/fontname/adobe.map:pgsr8a    GillSans
             A    152    gn______

This one seems to include several "setups" of commercial fonts:
texmf-dist/tex/latex/typeface/typeface.cfg

The ./texmf-dist/fonts/map/fontname/yandy.map even has Lucida mappings.

>
> > Let me emphasize once more: I do not suggest any file to be removed,
> > but consistency would be a good thing. We need to be able to explain
> > the logic to users.
>
> If anyone can come up with a *simple* and *easy to implement*
> "definition", I guess we all would be happy.

I am not into licenses, but I really do not see why, with any
definition, it is OK to have the yandy.map file, but not
type-imp-lucida.mkiv or lucida-math.lfg.

Best, Mikael