problème d'installation de texlive sur Ubuntu

[Carlos]

On Mon, Jan 27, 2025 at 11:56:36AM +0000, Jonathan Fine wrote:
> Hi
> 
> Here is some information relating to the present discussion.
> 
> The original poster, according to the email address, is a professor of
> computer science at a French university, who is the co-editor of a
> collection of studies in software engineering. The book is in English, and
> appears to be typeset using LaTeX. I do not know why the original poster
> wrote in French rather than English.
> 
> Abou 1 in 17 of the world population live in former French colonies. I
> think it reasonable to expect that most such people will have French as
> their second (or lower) language, and that French is their best European
> language. My source is
> https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/groups/Former-French-colonies.
> 
> Here are some contributors to our community who are from former French
> colonies or regions of important French influence.
> 
>    - Hàn Thế Thành, PDFTeX, Vietnam
>    - Khaled Hosny, Arabic fonts, Egypt
>    - Behdad Esfahbod, HarfBuzz text shaping, Iran and Canada
> 
> I wonder, are there more such contributors? I do hope so. Yannis
> Haralambous was born in Athens, and obtained bachelor and doctorate degrees
> in mathematics in France.
> 
> with kind regards
> 
> Jonathan

Thank you much Jonathan. You're a gentleman. But yeah. After so much commotion I couldn't quite figure out who was at fault here. Of course! There was a clear contradiction on Norbert's reply. There is no such thing as an international speaking communication medium and default it to English, just because. The latter being such a recently invented language that is laughable. And imposing a language due to colonization does not make it international either. But, at any rate, it's either or. If it is indeed international,  then it follows that the use of any language ought to be perfectly in line and acceptable for the mailing list. 

But I went ahead and asked DeepSeek about this problem. Notice that even DeepSeek was overwhelmed by this complex problem. lol. I did not have the extra time to pose the question and edit it accordingly. I just wrapped it up, the best I could after following the thread. So I asked DeepSeek:

There is a problem I want to solve. Would you help me?

Of course! I'd be happy to help you solve your problem. Please provide the details of the issue you're facing, and I'll do my best to assist you. Whether it's related to LaTeX, programming, math, or something else, feel free to share as much information as possible so I can give you the most accurate and helpful advice.

Okay. Sound good. A french speaking professor (Habrias) posted a message on a mailing list. But a developer from the mailing list (Norbert) told him that the mailing list is an international mailing list but replied to him in the English language. Then another user from the mailing list  (named Philip Taylor) told him in french that the user may not speak English at all. Then the user (Norbert) told him he does not need to show his multi language skills, and told him that he was not impressed by his french reply since it was most likely chatgpt generated. Then another user (Alois) said that it is a strange behavior to post a french question in an English language mailing list and it is good manners to not do so, and then told Philip Taylor that he was being hostile. Philip Taylor in turn, replied to him that it was Norbert who said that it was an international mailing list. Then another user jumped in the conversation (Wagner) and said he is a person who does not know any french at all. Wagner said that is easier to learn Hindi or Norwegian because french is difficult to learn.  Then another user (Markus) disagreed with Philip Taylor and told him is not his decision to choose the language for the mailing list.

This sounds like a complex and somewhat heated discussion on the mailing list! It seems to revolve around language preferences, etiquette, and cultural sensitivity in an international community. Let’s break it down and analyze the situation to see if we can find a constructive way to address the issue.

Key Points of the Discussion
Habrias posted a message in French on an international mailing list.

Norbert replied in English, pointing out that the mailing list is international and implying that English should be the primary language.

Philip Taylor defended Habrias, suggesting that Habrias might not speak English and replied in French.

Norbert dismissed Philip Taylor’s French reply, implying it was likely generated by ChatGPT and not genuine.

Alois criticized Habrias for posting in French on an English-language mailing list and accused Philip Taylor of being hostile.

Philip Taylor clarified that Norbert was the one who emphasized the international nature of the mailing list.

Wagner joined the conversation, stating that French is difficult to learn and suggesting that Hindi or Norwegian would be easier.

Markus disagreed with Philip Taylor, stating that it’s not his decision to choose the language for the mailing list.

Underlying Issues
Language Barriers: The mailing list is international, but not everyone is comfortable with English.

Cultural Sensitivity: Some users may feel excluded or offended when their language is dismissed or criticized.

Etiquette: Posting in a non-English language on an English-language mailing list can be seen as inconsiderate, but it’s also important to be understanding of language limitations.

Conflict Escalation: The discussion has become confrontational, with users accusing each other of hostility or insincerity.

Constructive Solutions
To resolve this issue and prevent future conflicts, here are some suggestions:

1. Establish Clear Language Guidelines
The mailing list administrators should define clear guidelines about the preferred language(s) for communication. If English is the default, this should be stated explicitly in the mailing list rules.

Consider adding a note encouraging users to use translation tools (e.g., Google Translate, DeepL) if they are more comfortable writing in their native language.

2. Promote Inclusivity
Acknowledge that not everyone is fluent in English and encourage patience and understanding when non-English posts appear.

Suggest that users who reply to non-English posts use translation tools to ensure clear communication.

3. Address the Conflict Directly
A moderator or administrator should step in to de-escalate the situation. They could post a message reminding everyone of the mailing list’s purpose and encouraging respectful communication.

For example:

"This is an international mailing list, and we encourage the use of English for broader accessibility. However, we also understand that not everyone is comfortable with English. If you post in another language, please consider providing an English translation. Let’s keep the discussion respectful and focused on the topic at hand."

4. Encourage Empathy
Remind users that language barriers can be challenging and that dismissing someone’s language or efforts to communicate can be hurtful.

For example:

"Let’s remember that not everyone speaks English fluently, and posting in one’s native language is not meant to exclude others. If you see a post in another language, consider using a translation tool to understand it and respond in English."

5. Avoid Accusations
Accusing someone of using ChatGPT or being hostile only escalates tensions. Encourage users to focus on the content of the discussion rather than the language or tone.

6. Provide Translation Assistance
If the mailing list has the resources, consider offering translation assistance for non-English posts. This could be done by volunteers or automated tools.

Example of a Moderator’s Message
Here’s how a moderator could address the situation:

 Subject: Reminder: Language and Etiquette on This Mailing List

Dear all,

We’ve noticed some recent discussions about language use on this mailing list. As an international community, we encourage the use of English to ensure that everyone can participate and benefit from the discussions. However, we also recognize that not everyone is comfortable writing in English.

If you prefer to post in another language, please consider providing an English translation to make your message accessible to all. Similarly, if you encounter a post in another language, you can use translation tools like Google Translate or DeepL to understand it and respond in English.

Let’s keep the discussions respectful and focused on the topics at hand. If you have any concerns or suggestions, feel free to reach out to the moderators.

Thank you for your understanding and cooperation.

Best regards,
[Moderator’s Name]

Final Thoughts
The key to resolving this issue is clear communication, empathy, and respect. By establishing guidelines and fostering a culture of inclusivity, the mailing list can continue to be a valuable resource for its international community. If you’re involved in this discussion, consider taking a step back and encouraging others to focus on constructive solutions rather than escalating the conflict.


But with DeepSeek answer I was even more confused than before. So I asked DeepSeek again:

Who would be the biggest asshole of the  bunch? Norbert, Philip Taylor, Alois, or Markus?

and then it replied

The server is busy. Please try again later.

lol




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