Hi Ralph You can force tlmgr to do something without a self-update, and with good reason. Thus, we don't want to merge --self and --all. Norbert -- PREINING Norbert http://www.preining.info Accelia Inc. + JAIST + TeX Live + Debian Developer GPG: 0x860CDC13 fp: F7D8 A928 26E3 16A1 9FA0 ACF0 6CAC A448 860C DC13