[tex-live] inclusion of texlive-includernw

Roger Bivand Roger.Bivand at nhh.no
Sun Nov 11 17:20:55 CET 2018

On Sun, 11 Nov 2018, Andreas Storvik Strauman wrote:

> As I have come to understand it, the problem is that Fedora
> installs R together with texlive-collection-mathscience because of
> includernw.sty, due to it's dependency on R and R-knitr.
> However, Roger does not want to use includernw, and has R installed
> (in a non-conventional location on his computer). This leaves Roger
> with two R installations and a .sty he doesn't use.
> Am I correct, Roger?

Yes, correct. And this is simply from upgrading texlive, so nothing that I 
have opted into (apart from installing texlive-scheme-medium).


> ________________________________
> From: Norbert Preining <preining at logic.at>
> Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2018 3:14:29 PM
> To: Roger Bivand
> Cc: Andreas Storvik Strauman; tex-live at tug.org
> Subject: Re: [tex-live] inclusion of texlive-includernw
> Hi Roger,
> I have read now both your answers, but still tap in the dark with what
> you want to achieve and what is your actual problem. Your descriptions
> are a complete mixture of nomenclature.
> On Sun, 11 Nov 2018, Roger Bivand wrote:
>> No, not every. The R package manager (so the R code in this latex package)
>> advises limiting the number of dependencies (Depends, Imports) as far as
> I don't know what you are talking about, honestly.
> The latex package you are refering to does *NOT* contain any package
> manager facilities. I calls R on some code which calls
> "library('knitr')".
> You are mixing completely different things here: depends, suggests etc
> are entities of the fedora packaging, and have nothing to do with the
> latex package.
> Upstream (other of includenrw) has no influence whatsoever what fedora
> packager are doing.
>> So "correct" has many flavours. I will try to trace the Fedora packager, and
>> follow up with the author of includernw, who certainly did not ask for the
>> latex package to be rolled out at least to all texlive-scheme-medium users
>> on Fedora.
> Again wrong. includenrw is included in TeX Live. And the Fedora
> maintainer has packaged TeX Live and thus also includenrw.
> There is nothing wrong, and if at all, then it is in your handling of
> how you install R packages and manage them.
> It is *you* who has to decide whether you want to use the fedora
> packaged versions of R pakcages, or locally isntalled ones.
> BTW, I know what I am talking about: I am TeX Live developer, at the
> same time maintainer of TeX Live in Debian, and do quite a lot of work
> with R. So trust me, it is in *your* obligation to keep a workable
> environment.
> If you start installing local R packages you take the control intio your
> hands, but also the responsability to have all the necessary tools etc
> installed.
> Don't blame either the author of includenrw or the fedora maintainer for
> problems.
> Best
> Norbert
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