[tex-live] texlive 2014 Comments. -- Overly complex and difficult to install on RedHat/Fedora !! -- A long answer --
Paulo Roberto Massa Cereda
cereda.paulo at gmail.com
Thu Aug 7 12:52:09 CEST 2014
Forgot to CC the list. Oh my. :)
Em 07-08-2014 07:49, Paulo Roberto Massa Cereda escreveu:
> Oopsie, my bad. I meant /opt/texbin instead of /opt/bin. :)
>
> Em 07-08-2014 05:42, Zdenek Wagner escreveu:
>> 2014-08-07 3:15 GMT+02:00 Paulo Roberto Massa Cereda
>> <cereda.paulo at gmail.com>:
>>> Hello, friends.
>>>
>>> This is how *I* set up TL in Fedora:
>>>
>>> I have /opt/bin which actually points to
>>> /usr/local/texlive/<year>/bin/<arch>; this means I only need to
>>> update the
>>> symlink when installing new TL versions.
>>>
>>> I have the following script living inside /etc/profile.d:
>>>
>>> =====================================
>>> #!/bin/bash
>>> pathmunge () {
>>> if ! echo $PATH | /bin/egrep -q "(^|:)$1($|:)" ; then
>>> if [ "$2" = "after" ] ; then
>>> PATH=$PATH:$1
>>> else
>>> PATH=$1:$PATH
>>> fi
>>> fi
>>> }
>>> pathmunge /opt/texbin
>>> unset pathmunge
>>> =====================================
>>>
>> You have /opt/bin but add /opt/texbin to PATH
>>
>>> TL binaries are then set on path systemwide. Different approach from
>>> .bashrc
>>> (userwide), but both ideas converge.
>>>
>> You can also set it in /etc/environment
>>
>>> And that is pretty much it.
>>>
>>> I never ran into problems with TL in Fedora. We might need a couple
>>> of extra
>>> info, so we could track down the errors.
>>>
>>> All the best,
>>>
>>> Paulo
>>>
>>> Em 06-08-2014 21:10, Norbert Preining escreveu:
>>>
>>>> Hi Andre
>>>>
>>>> (please leave the mailing list in Cc!!!)
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 06 Aug 2014, Andre Gompel wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> now does not work anymore "out of the box" and therefore need fixes.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Again, wrong.
>>>>
>>>>> could better use your volunteer time , by just installing "texlive
>>>>> 2014"
>>>>> on Fedora 20 x86_64, (latest)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Done that:
>>>> * installed fedora 20 into a virtual machine with all defaults, nothing
>>>> changed at all
>>>> * installed texlive with default settings as root
>>>> * set
>>>> PATH=/usr/local/texlive/2014/bin/x86_64-linux:$PATH
>>>> in my .bashrc as user
>>>> * run latex on a sample document, and dvips, and pdflatex, all fine.
>>>>
>>>> So what do you tell me is not working out of the box?
>>>>
>>>>> broken with the paths, or perhaps the softlinks... and it really does
>>>>> not work "out of the box".
>>>>>
>>>>> And yes, I can fix, and do not need help, but this was not my point.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You still did not specify *what* is broken besides unclear
>>>> insinuations.
>>>>
>>>>> And what is this *more*? MORE IS PROBABLY softlinks broken,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Which soft links?
>>>>
>>>> By default the installer does *not* create any links into
>>>> the binary directories.
>>>>
>>>>> because of the (not so new) FEDORA/RED_HAT directory tree
>>>>> structure,
>>>>> where almost everything now is on top of /usr.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Irrelevant, I have installed everything into /usr/local/texlive/2014
>>>> as by default, and added the path, all works.
>>>>
>>>>>> Now I am in "environment variables hell"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> No need for environment variables besides adjustment of the PATH.
>>>>> Please be a bit more specific.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You still did not explain what is the problem.
>>>>
>>>>> It is there, it has been followed many many times, and it has proven
>>>>> quite stable over the last N years (for N >= 10)
>>>>>
>>>>> HERE, I just cannot agree, and what you write suggest that you did
>>>>> not do
>>>>> any testing with Fedora 20, or RHLE, or CentOS (recent versions).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Are you telling me, who has written most of the code, that it is not
>>>> working without providing any proof?
>>>>
>>>> I have made exactely what you told me, see above, with the expected
>>>> result, that everything works.
>>>>
>>>>> FURTHERMORE, I stopped using the "standard RPM Latex packages" on
>>>>> Fedora,
>>>>> because they are broken:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> THey are from 2013, but they are fine.
>>>>
>>>>>> THere are hardly any differences between Win and Unix in terms of the
>>>>>> actual installer, besides that there are a few different options.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If you suggest Windows and Linux are the same system, you must
>>>>> either be
>>>>> joking... or may have to do some reading...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Aehm, I never suggested that. Please stay at the facts and read what
>>>> I wrote.
>>>>
>>>> Do you really believe *I* don't know the difference between the
>>>> systems?
>>>>
>>>>> I do suggest that if the Red-Hat derivatives standard packages
>>>>> (RPM) have
>>>>> been now broken for about two years, it is because the proper
>>>>> information to
>>>>> fix them is missing.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What are you talking? Fedore20 ships telxive 2013, thus, it cannot be
>>>> two years broken.
>>>>
>>>>> So a few people (including me) who may fix them, did not even try
>>>>> because
>>>>> what is needed for TEXLIVE to work, is not so obvious.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Instead of whining, what about actually *saying* what is broken?
>>>> And even better, *fixing* it if you are so capable!
>>>>
>>>>>> But for many non-technical Latex users, a seamless and simple
>>>>>> install
>>>>>> which works "straight out of the box" would be great, GUI or NOT.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It does. SORRY NOT FOR ME, DID YOU REALLY TRY THIS ON FEDORA 20
>>>>> X86_64
>>>>> ?????
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Done that, succeeded without a single hinch. Enjoy.
>>>>
>>>>> I explained that I used Linux/Texlive for a long time, so you would
>>>>> not
>>>>> suspect a beginner's mistake.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I still *do* suspect this. Or better, a long term user who believes
>>>> who knows around the system, in thus messes it up.
>>>>
>>>>> 1) I explained it did not work, "out of the box" (unfound files
>>>>> etc...).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No, you didn't: Not one line of terminal output or which file
>>>> has not been found.
>>>>
>>>>> warning: kpathsea: configuration file texmf.cnf not found in these
>>>>> directories:
>>>>> /usr/bin:/usr/bin/share/texmf-local/web2c:/usr/bin/share/texmf-dist/web2c:/usr/bin/share/texmf/web2c:/usr/bin/texmf-local/web2c:/usr/bin/texmf-dist/web2c:/usr/bin/texmf/web2c:/usr:/usr/share/texmf-local/web2c:/usr/share/texmf-dist/web2c:/usr/share/texmf/web2c:/usr/texmf-local/web2c:/usr/texmf-dist/web2c:/usr/texmf/web2c:/usr/share/texmf-local/web2c:/usr/share/texlive:/usr/share/texlive/share/texmf-local/web2c:/usr/share/texlive/share/texmf-dist/web2c:/usr/share/texlive/share/texmf/web2c:/usr/share/texlive/texmf-local/web2c:/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/web2c:/usr/share/texlive/texmf/web2c.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Output of
>>>> which tex
>>>> please
>>>>
>>>> Norbert
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> PREINING, Norbert
>>>> http://www.preining.info
>>>> JAIST, Japan TeX Live & Debian
>>>> Developer
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