[tex-live] new babel in TL

[Zdenek Wagner]

2013/5/7 Mojca Miklavec <mojca.miklavec.lists at gmail.com>:
> Hi,
>
> thank you very much for this import.
>
> A few points that I would like to mention:
>
> - I suggest to put serbian and serbianc into the same babel package if
> possible (both is Serbian, but one is in cyrillic script)
>
> - I know that you mentioned it, but I would still suggest to review if
> names match between babel-lang and hyph-lang. Just as an example,
> there is hyph-slovenian and babel-slovene. (I have deliberately chosen
> "slovenian" for hyph and even the document "babel-slovene/slovene.pdf"
> says "The Slovenian language". The name "slovene" as filename probably
> remained just for "compatibility" reasons.) Other examples are
> babel-portuges, norsk, ...
>
> - In the same spirit: there are some languages like "babel-frenchb" or
> "ukraineb" just because there is "frenchb.ldf". However, there is
> "germanb.ldf" and still "babel-german" and not "babel-germanb". My
> suggestion would be to call the package "babel-french",
> "babel-ukrainian" and not "babel-frenchb". If ever four other packages
> for French pop up, they can all go to babel-french, no matter how they
> will be called. The list is not extensive, I just listed the first few
> languages that I noticed.
>
> - I miss at least Lithuanian
> (http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/language/lithuanian/tex/generic/babel/)
> and a few other languages. Here's a list of some ldf files in TeX Live
> that aren't in babel-language (buy probably not all of them make
> sense):
>
> tex/generic/thailatex/thai.ldf
> tex/generic/velthuis/hindi.ldf

hindi.ldf makes sense. If used in XeTeX, it just loads the caption
names (\chaptername, \figurename etc) in UTF-8, othervise it makes use
of the Velthuis Devanagari package. Hyphenation can be enabled in
XeTeX but not in the Velthuis package, in this case the @hyphen
preprocessor directive can be used. It is my fault that I forgot to
inform Javier Bezos.

> tex/latex/arabi/arabic.ldf
> tex/latex/arabi/farsi.ldf
> tex/latex/bgreek/bgreek.ldf
> tex/latex/bgreek/ibygreek.ldf
> tex/latex/cjk/texinput/thai/thaicjk.ldf
> tex/latex/cjk/utils/pyhyphen/pinyin.ldf
> tex/latex/ethiop/ethiop.ldf
> tex/latex/frenchle/french.ldf
> tex/latex/frenchle/frenchle.ldf
> tex/latex/ibycus-babel/ibycus.ldf
> tex/latex/lithuanian/lithuanian.ldf
> tex/latex/mongolian-babel/mongolian.ldf
> tex/latex/spanglish/spanglish.ldf
> tex/latex/spanish-mx/spanishmx.ldf
> tex/latex/turkmen/turkmen.ldf
> tex/latex/vntex/vietnam.ldf
> tex/latex/vntex/vietnamese.ldf
> tex/platex/japanese/japanese.ldf
>
> - I'm almost sure that there was supposed to be Latvian somewhere. I
> was talking to
> Ilmars Poikans about it in 2008, but maybe it was only included in
> Polyglossia and not in babel. I'm CC-ing him.
>
> - I suggest to delete furlan.ldf (or rather: ask Claudio Beccari to
> give permission to delete it). I removed the language synonym for
> hyphenation patterns soon after adding it and this is a relatively new
> file anyway. The author didn't know what he was supposed to do with
> synonyms.
>
> - I just realized that "turkmen" contains babel-turkish, but I have
> put hyph-turkish under langother. That probably needs a change (moving
> hyph-turkish to langturkmen)?
>
> - I'm just curious: why are these ldf files in TEXMF/tex/generic
> rather than TEXMF/tex/latex?
>
>
> Given a high chance that something could go wrong at our side, I would
> prefer to release the promised hyph-utf8 based on the old babel and a
> new version based on the new babel a few days later.
>
> Mojca
>
> On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 2:49 AM, Karl Berry wrote:
>> Hi - wanted to mention that the new babel release, made some time ago on
>> CTAN, is now in TeX Live for tonight's update.  Thanks to Javier Bezos
>> for doing all the work on the package and Robin Fairbairns for lots of
>> timely assistance on the Catalogue/CTAN side.  Here is Javier's
>> announcement of the original major update (current version is 3.9c):
>>   http://www.mail-archive.com/ctan-ann@dante.de/msg05446.html
>>
>> For TL purposes, the new regime is to have the per-language support
>> files (*.ldf, etc.) in their own packages, which are now uniformly
>> named babel-<langname>.  The <langname> is what was used in babel before
>> (i.e., there is no particular consistency in style among them).
>>
>> This included renaming a few babel-support packages which were
>> previously installed independent of babel, namely:
>>   friulan german romansh serbianc spanish
>> These are now all named babel-<lang>.  (Their content is unchanged.)
>>
>> Overall, on CTAN, these are the subdirectories of
>> macros/latex/contrib/babel-contrib.
>>
>> One special case is magyar/hungarian.  No need to go into the whole
>> backstory; the bottom line is that Peter Szabo's magyar.ldf (previously
>> TL package magyar, but not installed in the runtime) is now
>> the package babel-hungarian, and *is* in the runtime.
>>
>> I assigned these new babel-* packages to the various collection-lang*
>> collections as best I could.  I plan to review the whole status of the
>> language collections with an eye toward not having so many that are so
>> tiny, but one thing at a time, and the first thing was just to get the
>> new babel into TL at all.
>>
>> Given the sweeping variety of changes that had to be made, it would be
>> astonishing if there were not unforeseen failures, at any level.  So
>> keep those bug reports coming.



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