<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">Hi Ross,<div><br><div><div>Le 15 févr. 2021 à 21:14, Ross Moore <<a href="mailto:ross.moore@mq.edu.au">ross.moore@mq.edu.au</a>> a écrit :</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;">… and all this extra noise would just turn off most users anyway.</div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><br class=""></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;">Serious users, who are aware of how useful the .log file really is,</div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;">should have the ability to make adjustments for themselves.</div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><br class=""></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;">You can always put the directive:</div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"> \tracinglostchars2</div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;">in your preamble.</div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;">It doesn’t need to be a LaTeX default.</div></blockquote><br></div></div><div>I mentioned LaTeX, which was my mistake because</div><div>it was not a latex question on this why I did not address</div><div>it to the latex team ; however it is relevant to LaTeX</div><div>as typically LaTeX produces tons of log output</div><div><br></div><div>what I was trying to say is that both</div><div><br></div><div>\tracinglostchars1</div><div><br></div><div>and</div><div><br></div><div>\tracinglostchars2</div><div><br></div><div>are lacking imho in usefulness because, whether to terminal</div><div>or to the log, their output might easily go unnoticed,</div><div>and it is very important indeed what they try to tell the user</div><div><br></div><div>sure, if you get a whole bunch of 20 of them in a row,</div><div>you might see them in console output, but if you have</div><div>only one such warning and are building a 200 pages document</div><div>which nowadays is faster than 20 years ago,</div><div>the stdout stream flashes bye so quick, you might not </div><div>see it</div><div><br></div><div>hence my query for a stronger behavior which would</div><div>be to add to both stdout and the log file a one-line</div><div>warning at end of run</div><div><br></div><div>either that, or a </div><div><br></div><div>\tracinglostchars3</div><div><br></div><div>which would trigger that</div><div><br></div><div>it would match then with some other</div><div>of etex report mechanisms</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div><br></div><div>Jean-François</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></body></html>