<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hi Adam, <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thanks!<br class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jul 10, 2021, at 3:16 PM, Adam R. Maxwell via MacOSX-TeX <<a href="mailto:macosx-tex@email.esm.psu.edu" class="">macosx-tex@email.esm.psu.edu</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jul 10, 2021, at 10:24 , George Tourlakis <<a href="mailto:gt@cse.yorku.ca" class="">gt@cse.yorku.ca</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">I think there is something wrong with the phases of the moon, or we have here a nondeterministic piece of software (tlmgr).</div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""><div class="">Ah, here we go: I may have missed this in your first log. It looks like tlmgr can't find its binaries, and is <b class="">confused about the platform it's on</b>. Is this an M1 Mac? </div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>No, it is an old Mac (2018, laptop), so I am unsure why good old <b class="">tlmgr</b> ought to be confused.</div><div><br class=""></div><div><div style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 169.8px; text-indent: -169.8px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal; font-family: "Helvetica Neue";" class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 169.8px; text-indent: -169.8px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal; font-family: "Helvetica Neue";" class=""><b class="">Hardware Overview:</b></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; min-height: 14px;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 169.8px; text-indent: -169.8px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal; font-family: "Helvetica Neue";" class=""> Model Name:<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>MacBook Air</div><div style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 169.8px; text-indent: -169.8px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal; font-family: "Helvetica Neue";" class=""> Model Identifier:<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>MacBookAir8,1</div><div style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 169.8px; text-indent: -169.8px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal; font-family: "Helvetica Neue";" class=""> Processor Name:<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Dual-Core Intel Core i5</div><div style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 169.8px; text-indent: -169.8px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal; font-family: "Helvetica Neue";" class=""> Processor Speed:<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>1.6 GHz</div><div style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 169.8px; text-indent: -169.8px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal; font-family: "Helvetica Neue";" class=""> Number of Processors:<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>1</div><div style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 169.8px; text-indent: -169.8px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal; font-family: "Helvetica Neue";" class=""> Total Number of Cores:<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>2</div><div style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 169.8px; text-indent: -169.8px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal; font-family: "Helvetica Neue";" class=""> L2 Cache (per Core):<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>256 KB</div><div style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 169.8px; text-indent: -169.8px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal; font-family: "Helvetica Neue";" class=""> L3 Cache:<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>4 MB</div><div style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 169.8px; text-indent: -169.8px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal; font-family: "Helvetica Neue";" class=""> Hyper-Threading Technology:<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Enabled</div><div style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 169.8px; text-indent: -169.8px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal; font-family: "Helvetica Neue";" class=""> Memory:<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>16 GB</div><div style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 169.8px; text-indent: -169.8px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal; font-family: "Helvetica Neue";" class=""> System Firmware Version:<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>1554.120.19.0.0 (iBridge: 18.16.14663.0.0,0)</div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>I transferred the updated 2019-tree (some 8GB!!) from the desktop (Mojave) which updated it </div><div>and I just verified the 2019-tree works on both short and very very long projects (like a 655 page book).</div><div><br class=""></div><div>So, I am unsure whether I realy take up astrology to know when to update on what (using tlmgr) or whether</div><div>a clear advise be issued on <b class="">tlmgr</b> along the lines “folks, this (tlmgr) does <b class="">not</b> work on Big Sur <b class="">before</b> TL 2020” and, "do <b class="">NOT</b> let this software attempt to update your pre-2020 trees even if it <b class="">offers</b> to”.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>That might save some aggravation for those of us who did not write this (tlmgr) code and just naively attempt to use it thinking “it works". We are mostly users after all and we will believe everything the developers (do not) tell us. </div><div><br class=""></div><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;"><div class="">Maybe I should just keep TLU from updating a Big Sur and/or ARM Mac with TL 2019 or earlier.</div></div></blockquote><br class=""></div><div>Good advise that ought to be visible outside this forum!</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>George</div><div><br class=""></div><div><br class=""></div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 169.8px; text-indent: -169.8px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal; font-family: "Helvetica Neue";" class=""> </div></blockquote><div style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 169.8px; text-indent: -169.8px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: "Helvetica Neue";" class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I think TL 2019 was frozen before Big Sur came along with different versioning and hardware. Maybe I should just keep TLU from updating a Big Sur and/or ARM Mac with TL 2019 or earlier.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class="">2021-07-10 14:36:19 +0000 Warning tlu_ipctask[6582]<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>/Library/TeX/texbin/tlmgr: only MacOSX is supported, not darwin 11.4 (from sw_vers -productVersion: 11.4)</div><div class="">2021-07-10 14:36:19 +0000 Warning tlu_ipctask[6582]<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>D:setup_programs: preferring system versions</div><div class="">2021-07-10 14:36:19 +0000 Warning tlu_ipctask[6582]<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>D:program curl found in path</div><div class="">2021-07-10 14:36:19 +0000 Warning tlu_ipctask[6582]<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>D:program wget not usable from path</div><div class="">2021-07-10 14:36:19 +0000 Warning tlu_ipctask[6582]<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>D:(unix) trying to set up wget, default /usr/local/texlive/2019/tlpkg/installer/wget/wget.unknown-unknown, arg --version</div><div class="">2021-07-10 14:36:19 +0000 Warning tlu_ipctask[6582]<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>D:program lz4 not usable from path</div><div class="">2021-07-10 14:36:19 +0000 Warning tlu_ipctask[6582]<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>D:(unix) trying to set up lz4, default /usr/local/texlive/2019/tlpkg/installer/lz4/lz4.unknown-unknown, arg --version</div><div class="">2021-07-10 14:36:19 +0000 Warning tlu_ipctask[6582]<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>D:program gzip found in path</div><div class="">2021-07-10 14:36:19 +0000 Warning tlu_ipctask[6582]<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>D:program xz not usable from path</div><div class="">2021-07-10 14:36:19 +0000 Warning tlu_ipctask[6582]<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>D:(unix) trying to set up xz, default /usr/local/texlive/2019/tlpkg/installer/xz/xz.unknown-unknown, arg --version</div><div class="">2021-07-10 14:36:19 +0000 Warning tlu_ipctask[6582]<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>+ :</div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">thanks,</div><div class="">Adam</div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div>----------- Please Consult the Following Before Posting -----------<br class="">TeX FAQ: <a href="http://www.tex.ac.uk/faq" class="">http://www.tex.ac.uk/faq</a><br class="">List Reminders and Etiquette: <a href="https://sites.esm.psu.edu/~gray/TeX/" class="">https://sites.esm.psu.edu/~gray/TeX/</a><br class="">List Archives: <a href="http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.macosx" class="">http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.macosx</a><br class=""> <a href="https://email.esm.psu.edu/pipermail/macosx-tex/" class="">https://email.esm.psu.edu/pipermail/macosx-tex/</a><br class="">TeX on Mac OS X Website: <a href="http://mactex-wiki.tug.org/" class="">http://mactex-wiki.tug.org/</a><br class="">List Info: <a href="https://email.esm.psu.edu/mailman/listinfo/macosx-tex" class="">https://email.esm.psu.edu/mailman/listinfo/macosx-tex</a><br class=""></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></div></body></html>