[OS X TeX] Feature request on TeXShop's "Experiment" mechanism

Ross Moore ross.moore at mq.edu.au
Tue Jun 2 03:21:50 CEST 2015

Hi Markus,

On 02/06/2015, at 8:55 AM, Markus Klyver wrote:

> Who copy pastes from a PDF anyway? PDF is used for one thing – reading.

That is 20th century thinking.
In the 21st century, PDF is getting enriched with all kinds of extra
structures that allow much greater flexibility --- provided the 
PDF reader supports it. 

Supporting Copy/Paste is just one such. Read Out Loud is important too.
Exporting to XML, Rich Text, Word .doc, and more are other things;
also Tooltips, a multitude of annotation types, Javascript actions, etc.

You can get these features with Adobe products.
Unfortunately Apple only sees PDF as a graphics format, 
and its reader software has limitations because of this.

> If you want to copy, edit or modify the text, use the source TeX file.

Sure. Include the TeX source as an attachment to your PDF.
There is a package  attachfile2.sty  that does this.

Unfortunately Preview, and presumably other Mac-based readers,
do not support access to attachments within PDFs.
Yet another reason to use Adobe Reader or Acrobat.

Will is spot-on in pointing out where PDF techniques, most
of which are described in published standards, are not being
implemented correctly by Apple or in 3rd-party software.

> > From: will.adams at frycomm.com
> > Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2015 12:27:49 -0400
> > To: macosx-tex at email.esm.psu.edu
> > Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Feature request on TeXShop's "Experiment" mechanism
> > 
> > On May 29, 2015, at 4:48 PM, Markus Klyver wrote:
> > 
> > > Why not just use the print feature of the OS itself (avalible with command ⌘ + p, and print)?
> > 
> > One reason not to use that feature is that it will in certain circumstances re-encode the font and make it impossible to copy-paste properly from the resultant .pdf
> > 
> > William
> > 
> > (who is getting really annoyed about having to use brain cells to memorise such minutiae and really wishes these things would just work properly and sensibly)
> > -- 
> > William Adams
> > senior graphic designer
> > Fry Communications
> > Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow.

Hope this helps,


Ross Moore

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