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Re: [Mac OS X TeX] OpenType
by "Martin Costabel" <costabel at wanadoo.fr>
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] OpenType
by "Adrian Heathcote" <adrian.heathcote at philosophy.usyd.edu.au>
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] OpenType
by "Dave McCollum" <mccollum at colorado.edu>
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] OpenType
by "Richard D. Gill" <Richard.Gill at math.uu.nl>
Re: teTeX mod for Mac fonts (was Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Font question)
by "Michel Bovani" <michel.bovani at wanadoo.fr>
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] OpenType
by "Michel Bovani" <michel.bovani at wanadoo.fr>
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] OpenType
by "Lawrence C Paulson" <Larry.Paulson at cl.cam.ac.uk>
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] OpenType
by "Ross Moore" <ross at ics.mq.edu.au>
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] OpenType
by "William Adams" <wadams at atlis.com>
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] OpenType
by "William Adams" <wadams at atlis.com>
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] OpenType
by "Martin Costabel" <costabel at wanadoo.fr>
Re: [pdftex] Re: teTeX mod for Mac fonts (was Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Font que
by "Troy Goodson" <Troy.D.Goodson at jpl.nasa.gov>
Re: teTeX mod for Mac fonts (was Re: [Mac OS X TeX]Font question)
by "William Adams" <wadams at atlis.com>
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Re: teTeX mod for Mac fonts (was Re: [Mac OS XTeX]Fon
by "Felipe Zaldivar" <fzc at xanum.uam.mx>
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Re: teTeX mod for Mac fonts (was Re: [Mac OS X TeX]Fon
by "Gerben Wierda" <sherlock at rna.nl>
[Mac OS X TeX] Re: teTeX mod for Mac fonts (was Re: [Mac OS XTeX]Font que
by "Troy Goodson" <Troy.D.Goodson at jpl.nasa.gov>
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Re: teTeX mod for Mac fonts (was Re: [Mac OS XTeX]Fon
by "William Adams" <wadams at atlis.com>
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Re: teTeX mod for Mac fonts (was Re: [Mac OS XTeX]Fon
by "William Adams" <wadams at atlis.com>
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Re: teTeX mod for Mac fonts (was Re: [Mac OSXTeX]Font
by "Christopher B. Hamlin" <chamlin at aip.org>
Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Re: teTeX mod for Mac fonts (was Re: [MacOSXTeX]Font
by "William Adams" <wadams at atlis.com>
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] OpenType
From: "Martin Costabel" <costabel at wanadoo.fr>
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 02:09:47 +0100
Nicholas Riley wrote:
> What this means for TeX, I don't know. I would sure like to be able
> to have some native font support, but if it just means PostScript
> fonts, that'd be fine for me.
I have the impression that in this whole font discussion nobody
mentioned the little manipulation that lets you use the CM postscript
fonts instead of running metafont and using bitmap fonts:
Uncomment the line
type1_default=true
in the texmf/dvips/config/updmap script and then run this script.
Actually I don't understand why this isn't the default in tetex.
--
Martin
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] OpenType
From: "Adrian Heathcote" <adrian.heathcote at philosophy.usyd.edu.au>
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 13:31:20 +1100
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On Wednesday, November 7, 2001, at 11:54 AM, Nicholas Riley wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 11:33:31AM +1100, Adrian Heathcote wrote:
>> Query to William Adams, or anyone else who might know---
>>
>> Apropos this question of fonts in OS X, what has happened to Apple's
>> plans to support OpenType? After some initial talk we hear no more
>> about
>> it. If it were known what Apple intends to do here, it might help in
>> knowing what is possible for TeX.
>
> OS X does support OpenType...
>
> <http://developer.apple.com/technotes/tn/tn2024.html>
I know that there is some support for OpenType in OS X---I was really
asking whether OSX will support the full range of letters, ligatures,
glypfs, etc that are available in an OpenType font. At the moment it
doesn't seem to.
Adrian Heathcote
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On Wednesday, November 7, 2001, at 11:54 AM, Nicholas Riley wrote:
<excerpt>On Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 11:33:31AM +1100, Adrian Heathcote
wrote:
<excerpt>Query to William Adams, or anyone else who might know---
Apropos this question of fonts in OS X, what has happened to Apple's
plans to support OpenType? After some initial talk we hear no more
about
it. If it were known what Apple intends to do here, it might help in
knowing what is possible for TeX.
</excerpt>
OS X does support OpenType...
<<http://developer.apple.com/technotes/tn/tn2024.html>
</excerpt>
<color><param>0000,0000,DEDE</param>I know that there is some support
for OpenType in OS X---I was really asking whether OSX will support
the full range of letters, ligatures, glypfs, etc that are available
in an OpenType font. At the moment it doesn't seem to.
Adrian Heathcote</color>
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] OpenType
From: "Dave McCollum" <mccollum at colorado.edu>
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 22:30:39 -0700
Adrian,
>I know that there is some support for OpenType in OS X---I was
>really asking whether OSX will support the full range of letters,
>ligatures, glypfs, etc that are available in an OpenType font. At
>the moment it doesn't seem to.
>
>Adrian Heathcote
OpenType fonts have been fully support since OS 9, I believe. The
issue is that the application has to utilize the ATS (OS X) and/or
the ATSUI services in the OS. As far as I can tell, only InDesign has
that capability under OS 9.x. I am not sure of the details of how
Carbon apps are supported, but they supposedly are. Cocoa apps should
have "built-in" support for the "full use" of OpenType fonts. As of
OS X 10.1, MM Type 1 fonts are supported, as well.
I am sure that others on this list could speak to this issue in more detail.
-Dave
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] OpenType
From: "Richard D. Gill" <Richard.Gill at math.uu.nl>
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 07:52:09 +0100 (MET)
Martin Costable wrote:
> What this means for TeX, I don't know. I would sure like to be able
> to have some native font support, but if it just means PostScript
> fonts, that'd be fine for me.
I have the impression that in this whole font discussion nobody
mentioned the little manipulation that lets you use the CM postscript
fonts instead of running metafont and using bitmap fonts
To this I would add: CMacTeX and TeXShop (running over TeTeX) automatically
use the postscript CM fonts. I agree that this should be the default.
Furthermore, nobody should go to any trouble to get bitmapped fonts in
proprietary formats into TeTeX. But it is worth the trouble to get the
incorporation of Type 1 postscript fonts as easy and automatics as possible.
Luc Devroye at McGill has some fantastic font pages on www. Search for him
in Yahoo and you will find a mine of information...
Richard.
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Subject: Re: teTeX mod for Mac fonts (was Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Font question)
From: "Michel Bovani" <michel.bovani at wanadoo.fr>
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 10:41:16 +0100
Le 6/11/01 à 17:47 +0100 Richard.Gill at math.uu.nl a écrit :
>There are free utilities for converting between pfa, pfb and lwfn.
>There are free utilities for generating a new afm from a pfb
The problem is that pfb doesn't contain kerning pairs information :
so the afm file generated in this way is not really usable...
--
Michel Bovani
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] OpenType
From: "Michel Bovani" <michel.bovani at wanadoo.fr>
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 10:38:40 +0100
Le 7/11/01 à 11:33 +1100 Adrian Heathcote a écrit :
>Query to William Adams, or anyone else who might know---
>
>Apropos this question of fonts in OS X, what has happened to Apple's
>plans to support OpenType? After some initial talk we hear no more
>about it. If it were known what Apple intends to do here, it might
>help in knowing what is possible for TeX.
OS9 and OSX fully support opentype. Unfortunately, there is no way to
obtain metric information (something like afm) : so it is difficult
to use them with tex. On the other hand, pdftex should be able to use
them (at least for true-type/Opentype, I am not quite sure for
T1/Opentype), if tfm files already exist...
One says me that fontlab4 will be able to convert an opentype into
several T1 fonts.
--
Michel Bovani
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] OpenType
From: "Lawrence C Paulson" <Larry.Paulson at cl.cam.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 10:16:57 +0000
> I have the impression that in this whole font discussion nobody
> mentioned the little manipulation that lets you use the CM postscript
> fonts instead of running metafont and using bitmap fonts:
>
> Uncomment the line
>
> type1_default=true
>
> in the texmf/dvips/config/updmap script and then run this script.
>
> Actually I don't understand why this isn't the default in tetex.
The funny thing is that my version of the file also defines type1_default to
be false, but if I run pdflatex at the command line I get a .pdf file that
(according to Acrobat Reader) contains only Type 1 fonts.
--
Larry Paulson
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] OpenType
From: "Ross Moore" <ross at ics.mq.edu.au>
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 21:35:30 +1100 (EST)
> >
> > type1_default=true
> >
> > in the texmf/dvips/config/updmap script and then run this script.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This file is quite irrelevant to pdfTeX !
> >
> > Actually I don't understand why this isn't the default in tetex.
>
> The funny thing is that my version of the file also defines type1_default to
> be false, but if I run pdflatex at the command line I get a .pdf file that
> (according to Acrobat Reader) contains only Type 1 fonts.
It isn't the default in teTeX, since there's no need for it to be.
When PDFs are required, it's usual to use dvips -Ppdf ....
or something similar, to ensure that .pfb fonts are included.
So it's only relevant to use of dvips not intended for PDF.
Presumably there *are* still systems around for which its more
convenient to use bitmaps; e.g. Type 1 versions of the EC fonts are
still in their infancy; isn't that right ?
So my guess is that it's probably still too soon to commit the dvips
default to assume Type 1 will be always available.
Just my 2c.
Ross Moore
> --
> Larry Paulson
>
>
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] OpenType
From: "William Adams" <wadams at atlis.com>
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 09:08:22 -0500
The problem here is that Apple punted on the matter of the User
Interface for accessing rich font features, even on a font especially
licensed for OS X (Zapfino) for which Apple had explicitly gone to the
effort to support all of its features (the Zapf layout tables which're
documented at fonts.apple.com) they've only made a small fraction of the
characters accessible.
Even the QuickDraw/GX fonts suffer this emasculation (sorry, this
failing infuriates me)---to see what they were (and are in Mac OS
7.5--8.6 with QuickDraw/GX savvy apps) install the Developer Tools (free
with on-line membership to the Apple Developer Connection), open up
WorldText.app, nee GXWrite (it's in the Extras folder in Apps) and play
around with Apple Chancery, Skia and Hoefler Text).
One exception on the above OS version compatibility range is sadly
TeX/GX which only works with 7.x 'cause of changes to the printing
architecture.
Although with a little effort one can decompose the fonts one is then in
violation of the license from Apple which prohibits reverse-engineering
&c. (you can't even put your Mac motherboard in a case without an Apple
logo if one simultaneously obliterates the Apple moniker on the
motherboard---read the license).
I made an extensive set of suggestions on the font panel for Mac OS X
(one of them was even implemented---collapsing to a thin window of
pop-up menus) once upon a time, but other failings in Mac OS X have left
me unwilling to devote any further effort to it (see my editorial on
this at www.osopinion.com from a couple of months ago).
Sadly these features have gotten behind the power curve at Apple in
terms of development effort (the state of the fonts.apple.com web pages
does _not_ speak highly of Apple's regard for this). I'm sure it'll
improve when more resources become available, but in the meanwhile, it's
just easier to get a Type 1 expert set and use that.
William
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] OpenType
From: "William Adams" <wadams at atlis.com>
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 10:31:03 -0500
To clarify and to ease things for anyone looking up the OS Opinion
article.
the latter is at:
http://www.osopinion.com/perl/story/?id=9131
by ``font panel'', I meant the user interface element.
My typepalette suggestion was at:
http://members.aol.com/willadams/portfolio/interfaceconcepts/typepalette/
posted June 2000....
Has anyone used an OpenType font in pdftex yet? What's the interface /
markup for accessing the characters like?
William
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ATLIS Graphics & Design / 717-731-6707 voice / 717-731-6708 fax
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] OpenType
From: "Martin Costabel" <costabel at wanadoo.fr>
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 15:02:18 +0100
Ross Moore wrote:
>
> > >
> > > type1_default=true
> > >
> > > in the texmf/dvips/config/updmap script and then run this script.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> This file is quite irrelevant to pdfTeX !
But not to dvips.
> > >
> > > Actually I don't understand why this isn't the default in tetex.
> >
> > The funny thing is that my version of the file also defines type1_default to
> > be false, but if I run pdflatex at the command line I get a .pdf file that
> > (according to Acrobat Reader) contains only Type 1 fonts.
>
> It isn't the default in teTeX, since there's no need for it to be.
>
> When PDFs are required, it's usual to use dvips -Ppdf ....
It is not usual if I want ps output or if I want to send the output to a
laser printer that understands ps natively but not pdf. And in addition
it does *not* stop metafont from running and creating pk fonts. Unless,
of course, you modify texmf/dvips/con......
> or something similar, to ensure that .pfb fonts are included.
>
> So it's only relevant to use of dvips not intended for PDF.
Yes. There are still a couple of situations where I need ps output, not
pdf.
--
Martin
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Subject: Re: [pdftex] Re: teTeX mod for Mac fonts (was Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Font question)
From: "Troy Goodson" <Troy.D.Goodson at jpl.nasa.gov>
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 12:06:14 -0800
At 8:30 AM +0100 11/7/01, Rolf Marvin B¯e Lindgren wrote:
>[William Adams]
>
>| [Troy Goodson]
>|
>| | Are you saying that there is information that TeX needs to know about
>| | a font but is not included in Mac OS X fonts?
>
>| Not merely that, but Mac OS X's bundled fonts are in weird, proprietary
>| formats (.dfont---``data fork'' font format which is a normal Mac
>| suitcase-style font flopped from the resource fork where it normally
>| resides).
>
>I'm happily using MacOS X fonts under pdftex for Linux, having converted
>them from MacOS X to Windoze format using a commercial tool.
I guess this is something of an existence proof, but isn't more
appropriate for teTeX to have built-in support for Mac OS X fonts?
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Subject: Re: teTeX mod for Mac fonts (was Re: [Mac OS X TeX]Font question)
From: "William Adams" <wadams at atlis.com>
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 15:48:38 -0500
Troy Goodson asked:
>isn't more
>appropriate for teTeX to have built-in support for Mac OS X fonts?
Since teTeX runs on many platforms, but Mac OS X format fonts should
only appear on Mac OS X, to my mind, no.
Probably the best one could hope for would be a toolset and script which
would convert / duplicate all Mac OS X fonts into standard formats when
teTeX is installed on Mac OS X. Although this represents licensing
difficulties, if it happened on the machine the fonts were present on
and so long as the resultant font files weren't transferred elsewhere
this would probably be considered ``fair use''.
This still leaves Apple Chancery, Skia, Hoefler Text, etc. out in the
cold though.
The ideal would be for the development of an extended version of TeX
which supported Unicode input and used Mac OS X system calls so as to
make use of Mac fonts like TeX/GX does. (Richard, did I ever send you
the .pdf readme files for TeX/GX?)
BTW - TeX/GX runs in Basilisk which runs in VirtualPC which runs in Mac
OS X... well, ``run'' might not be the right word... it works---that's
how I was able to use Zapfino for my TUG presentation (and Wendy, I
still owe you the Sestina file typeset in Zapfino... I don't think it'd
come out any different than it would if typeset in TextEdit.app
though....)
William
--
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ATLIS Graphics & Design / 717-731-6707 voice / 717-731-6708 fax
Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow.
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Re: teTeX mod for Mac fonts (was Re: [Mac OS XTeX]Font question)
From: "Felipe Zaldivar" <fzc at xanum.uam.mx>
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 15:12:13 -0600
I am getting a little confused about this discussion. It seems that there
are (at least) two issues:
(i) The use of Type 1 PostScript fonts with Tetex (and in my case with
Texshop) in MacOS X.
(ii) The use of some specific Mac fonts with Tetex.
I have several Type 1 fonts that OzTeX recognizes (running on MacOS 9.1)
but Texshop doesn't
(running on MacOS X), for example certain characters (accents and the
like). Of course I have the corresponding tfm files and the fonts and the
screen fonts are located on the MacOS 9.1 system folder as are the other CM
fonts.
Felipe Zaldivar
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Re: teTeX mod for Mac fonts (was Re: [Mac OS X TeX]Font question)
From: "Gerben Wierda" <sherlock at rna.nl>
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 22:04:45 +0100
On Wednesday, November 7, 2001, at 09:48 , William Adams wrote:
> Troy Goodson asked:
>> isn't more
>> appropriate for teTeX to have built-in support for Mac OS X fonts?
>
> Since teTeX runs on many platforms, but Mac OS X format fonts should
> only appear on Mac OS X, to my mind, no.
Agree.
> Probably the best one could hope for would be a toolset and script which
> would convert / duplicate all Mac OS X fonts into standard formats when
> teTeX is installed on Mac OS X. Although this represents licensing
> difficulties, if it happened on the machine the fonts were present on
> and so long as the resultant font files weren't transferred elsewhere
> this would probably be considered ``fair use''.
I don't see licensing problems with a script, not with distributing
files which are only useful if the Mac OS X fonts themselves are there
('virtual font' like stuff)
> The ideal would be for the development of an extended version of TeX
> which supported Unicode input
That part already exists:
man omega
Integrating with pdftex might be a problem.
> and used Mac OS X system calls so as to
> make use of Mac fonts like TeX/GX does. (Richard, did I ever send you
> the .pdf readme files for TeX/GX?)
It is TeX that needs adapting, not TeXShop.
> BTW - TeX/GX runs in Basilisk which runs in VirtualPC which runs in Mac
> OS X... well, ``run'' might not be the right word... it works---that's
> how I was able to use Zapfino for my TUG presentation (and Wendy, I
> still owe you the Sestina file typeset in Zapfino... I don't think it'd
> come out any different than it would if typeset in TextEdit.app
> though....)
On the other hand, if it is such a terrible implementation, we might
also consider TeX as living in a world separate from Mac OS X fonts ;-)
After all, many mf fonts are not available for Mac OS X as well.
G
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Subject: [Mac OS X TeX] Re: teTeX mod for Mac fonts (was Re: [Mac OS XTeX]Font question)
From: "Troy Goodson" <Troy.D.Goodson at jpl.nasa.gov>
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 13:18:07 -0800
At 3:48 PM -0500 11/7/01, William Adams wrote:
>Since teTeX runs on many platforms, but Mac OS X format fonts should
>only appear on Mac OS X, to my mind, no.
If someone makes a new Mac OS X font downloadable from their
web-site, then a non-Mac-OS-X user would need a tool before they
could use it. But I guess that's the case in general.
>The ideal would be for the development of an extended version of TeX
>which supported Unicode input and used Mac OS X system calls so as to
>make use of Mac fonts like TeX/GX does. (Richard, did I ever send you
>the .pdf readme files for TeX/GX?)
This sounds nice (I like ideals); so this extra code could be in
teTeX, but only compiled if compilation happens on an Mac OS X system.
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Re: teTeX mod for Mac fonts (was Re: [Mac OS XTeX]Font question)
From: "William Adams" <wadams at atlis.com>
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 16:29:16 -0500
Felipe said:
>I am getting a little confused about this discussion. It seems that
there
>are (at least) two issues:
>(i) The use of Type 1 PostScript fonts with Tetex (and in my case with
>Texshop) in MacOS X.
Correct. The difficulty here is the mac PostScript fonts are in Mac
encoding---for TeXshop have you tried declaring Mac as the input
encoding? You'll also have to get the encoding specification right
wherever it is you specify the fonts.
>(ii) The use of some specific Mac fonts with Tetex.
Yes, this last is a bear. I actually found it easier to run Mac OS 7.5.5
in Basilisk in Virtual PC so as to use TeX/GX than wrestle with it
further.
William
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Re: teTeX mod for Mac fonts (was Re: [Mac OS XTeX]Font question)
From: "William Adams" <wadams at atlis.com>
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 16:38:31 -0500
Gerben said:
(re: a script for installing Mac OS X-specific fonts)
>I don't see licensing problems with a script, not with distributing
>files which are only useful if the Mac OS X fonts themselves are there
>('virtual font' like stuff)
AFAIK, one would need to actually convert the fonts into the standard
.ttf format which would be usable on other systems if transferred there,
so potentially troublesome from a licensing standpoint.
Any sort of VF-like scheme would have to be a Carbon or Java or Cocoa
program which was able to use native Mac OS X system calls to access the
fonts, a la Textures and the other Mac-specific TeX implementations.
William
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Re: teTeX mod for Mac fonts (was Re: [Mac OSXTeX]Font question)
From: "Christopher B. Hamlin" <chamlin at aip.org>
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 17:39:20 -0500
Troy Goodson wrote:
>
> At 3:48 PM -0500 11/7/01, William Adams wrote:
>
> ...
>
> >The ideal would be for the development of an extended version of TeX
> >which supported Unicode input and used Mac OS X system calls so as to
> >make use of Mac fonts like TeX/GX does. (Richard, did I ever send you
> >the .pdf readme files for TeX/GX?)
>
> This sounds nice (I like ideals); so this extra code could be in
> teTeX, but only compiled if compilation happens on an Mac OS X system.
>
What ever happened to Omega? That takes Unicode input.
And what would need to use OS X system fonts other than a
previewer, and everyone seems to go right to PDF anyway? I
just recently got TeXshop and teTeX going on OS X, so don't
follow. I guess if you want to send a PDF to a PC user you're
in trouble. But shouldn't/don't Acrobat/preview show you a
MacOS font if you call it "correctly"?
Regards,
Chris Hamlin
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Subject: Re: [Mac OS X TeX] Re: teTeX mod for Mac fonts (was Re: [MacOSXTeX]Font question)
From: "William Adams" <wadams at atlis.com>
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 17:57:44 -0500
chamlin said:
> And what would need to use OS X system fonts other than a
>previewer, and everyone seems to go right to PDF anyway? I
>just recently got TeXshop and teTeX going on OS X, so don't
>follow. I guess if you want to send a PDF to a PC user you're
>in trouble. But shouldn't/don't Acrobat/preview show you a
>MacOS font if you call it "correctly"?
``Aye, there lies the rub.'' The problem is there's no way to ``call it
correctly'' without the rigamarole of converting the Mac OS X format
font to .ttf format.
Even once that's done there's then the matter of working out accessing
all of the font's features---Zapfino has 1,285 characters, many of which
are contextual ligatures (there're two for ``Zapfino'', one in a circle
and one out of it---one needs an encoding system which'll account for
ligatures up to seven letters long, and a way to choose from two
distinct forms.
William
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Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow.
http://www.atlis.com
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