From henry.chapman at desy.de  Thu Oct 10 17:04:11 2019
From: henry.chapman at desy.de (Henry Chapman)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 17:04:11 +0200
Subject: [lucida] lucida fonts being overridden
Message-ID: <2D700517-09BA-42FA-8350-20FF89B1E854@desy.de>

I have a vexing problem regarding the installation (or perhaps use) of lucida fonts in texlive.  I bought the original Lucida Bright and Math time fonts from Y&Y a long time ago on floppies and had things working in tetex well for quite some time.  I had thus had converted fonts to .pfb a long time ago.  I think I had things working in texlive in some years ago, but really can?t remember.  I just got back into a project where I would like to produce documents with these fonts, but it seems to fail at the last hurdle.  I would certainly appreciate any help or insights anyone would have.

I checked my installation against the nice and detailed instructions of Bruno Voisin here: https://tug.org/pipermail/macostex-archives/2007-January/027878.html.  I also carried out the steps 

	sudo mktexlsr
	sudo -H updmap-sys --enable Map lucida.map

and I ran a few instances of sudo texhash.  I even tried 
	sudo - H updmap-sys --disable lucida.map
	sudo -H updmap-sys --enable Map lucida.map
to try and make sure changes are being implemented.

I seem to be able to get the Lucida math fonts rendering, but not the fonts for text.  Instead, whatever I do, latex (or actually pdflatex) always wants to use other fonts 

To show what happens, I compiled the small latex file:

\documentclass{article}
\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}
\usepackage{textcomp}
\usepackage{lucidabr}
\begin{document}
Here?s some text. And here?s some math:
\[
  \phi(x)=\int_{-\infty}^{x} e^{-x^{2}/2}
\]
Euro and copyright symbols are available:
\texteuro \textcopyright \textbullet.
\end{document}

and got the following output

$ pdflatex lucida-test.tex 
This is pdfTeX, Version 3.14159265-2.6-1.40.20 (TeX Live 2019) (preloaded format=pdflatex)
 restricted \write18 enabled.
entering extended mode
(./lucida-test.tex
LaTeX2e <2018-12-01>
(/usr/local/texlive/2019/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/article.cls
Document Class: article 2018/09/03 v1.4i Standard LaTeX document class
(/usr/local/texlive/2019/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/size10.clo))
(/usr/local/texlive/2019/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/fontenc.sty
(/usr/local/texlive/2019/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/t1enc.def))
(/usr/local/texlive/2019/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/textcomp.sty
(/usr/local/texlive/2019/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/ts1enc.def
(/usr/local/texlive/2019/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/ts1enc.dfu)))
(/usr/local/texlive/texmf-local/tex/latex/lucidabr/lucidabr.sty)
No file lucida-test.aux.
(/usr/local/texlive/2019/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/ts1cmr.fd)
(/usr/local/texlive/texmf-local/tex/latex/lucidabr/lmrhlcm.fd)
(/usr/local/texlive/texmf-local/tex/latex/lucidabr/omlhlcm.fd)
(/usr/local/texlive/texmf-local/tex/latex/lucidabr/omshlcy.fd)
(/usr/local/texlive/texmf-local/tex/latex/lucidabr/omxhlcv.fd) [1{/usr/local/te
xlive/2019/texmf-var/fonts/map/pdftex/updmap/pdftex.map}] (./lucida-test.aux) )
{/usr/local/texlive/2019/texmf-dist/fonts/enc/dvips/cm-super/cm-super-ts1.enc}{
/usr/local/texlive/2019/texmf-dist/fonts/enc/dvips/cm-super/cm-super-t1.enc}</u
sr/local/texlive/texmf-local/fonts/type1/bh/lucida/lbme.pfb></usr/local/texlive
/texmf-local/fonts/type1/bh/lucida/lbmo.pfb></usr/local/texlive/texmf-local/fon
ts/type1/bh/lucida/lbms.pfb></usr/local/texlive/2019/texmf-dist/fonts/type1/pub
lic/cm-super/sfrm0500.pfb></usr/local/texlive/2019/texmf-dist/fonts/type1/publi
c/cm-super/sfrm0700.pfb></usr/local/texlive/2019/texmf-dist/fonts/type1/public/
cm-super/sfrm1000.pfb>
Output written on lucida-test.pdf (1 page, 28764 bytes).
Transcript written on lucida-test.log.
(base) vpn-029:MLL-mask-design chapman9$ open lucida-test.pdf 
(base) vpn-029:MLL-mask-design chapman9$ pdflatex lucida-test.tex 
This is pdfTeX, Version 3.14159265-2.6-1.40.20 (TeX Live 2019) (preloaded format=pdflatex)
 restricted \write18 enabled.
entering extended mode
(./lucida-test.tex
LaTeX2e <2018-12-01>
(/usr/local/texlive/2019/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/article.cls
Document Class: article 2018/09/03 v1.4i Standard LaTeX document class
(/usr/local/texlive/2019/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/size10.clo))
(/usr/local/texlive/2019/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/fontenc.sty
(/usr/local/texlive/2019/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/t1enc.def))
(/usr/local/texlive/2019/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/textcomp.sty
(/usr/local/texlive/2019/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/ts1enc.def
(/usr/local/texlive/2019/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/ts1enc.dfu)))
(/usr/local/texlive/texmf-local/tex/latex/lucidabr/lucidabr.sty)
(./lucida-test.aux)
(/usr/local/texlive/2019/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/ts1cmr.fd)
(/usr/local/texlive/texmf-local/tex/latex/lucidabr/lmrhlcm.fd)
(/usr/local/texlive/texmf-local/tex/latex/lucidabr/omlhlcm.fd)
(/usr/local/texlive/texmf-local/tex/latex/lucidabr/omshlcy.fd)
(/usr/local/texlive/texmf-local/tex/latex/lucidabr/omxhlcv.fd) [1{/usr/local/te
xlive/2019/texmf-var/fonts/map/pdftex/updmap/pdftex.map}] (./lucida-test.aux) )
{/usr/local/texlive/2019/texmf-dist/fonts/enc/dvips/cm-super/cm-super-ts1.enc}{
/usr/local/texlive/2019/texmf-dist/fonts/enc/dvips/cm-super/cm-super-t1.enc}</u
sr/local/texlive/texmf-local/fonts/type1/bh/lucida/lbme.pfb></usr/local/texlive
/texmf-local/fonts/type1/bh/lucida/lbmo.pfb></usr/local/texlive/texmf-local/fon
ts/type1/bh/lucida/lbms.pfb></usr/local/texlive/2019/texmf-dist/fonts/type1/pub
lic/cm-super/sfrm0500.pfb></usr/local/texlive/2019/texmf-dist/fonts/type1/publi
c/cm-super/sfrm0700.pfb></usr/local/texlive/2019/texmf-dist/fonts/type1/public/
cm-super/sfrm1000.pfb>
Output written on lucida-test.pdf (1 page, 28764 bytes).
Transcript written on lucida-test.log.


In other cases I got text rendered using urw/times/utmr8a.pfb.

I tried rolling back to earlier texlive distributions, but got the same behaviour, so I suspect it?s me not them.  Are there any tests I can do to figure out what?s going on?

Thanks, Henry
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From bvoisin at icloud.com  Thu Oct 10 17:47:30 2019
From: bvoisin at icloud.com (Bruno Voisin)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 17:47:30 +0200
Subject: [lucida] lucida fonts being overridden
In-Reply-To: <2D700517-09BA-42FA-8350-20FF89B1E854@desy.de>
References: <2D700517-09BA-42FA-8350-20FF89B1E854@desy.de>
Message-ID: <887C57BD-C4D9-4D6D-BB51-C6BB6BE3F720@icloud.com>

> Le 10 oct. 2019 ? 17:04, Henry Chapman <henry.chapman at desy.de> a ?crit :
> 
> I seem to be able to get the Lucida math fonts rendering, but not the fonts for text.  Instead, whatever I do, latex (or actually pdflatex) always wants to use other fonts 
> 
> To show what happens, I compiled the small latex file:
> 
> [...]

Hi Henry,

With your file I'm getting the console output

This is pdfTeX, Version 3.14159265-2.6-1.40.20 (TeX Live 2019) (preloaded format=pdflatex)
 restricted \write18 enabled.
entering extended mode
(./lucida-test.tex
LaTeX2e <2019-10-01>
(/usr/local/texlive/2019/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/article.cls
Document Class: article 2019/08/27 v1.4j Standard LaTeX document class
(/usr/local/texlive/2019/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/size10.clo))
(/usr/local/texlive/2019/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/fontenc.sty
(/usr/local/texlive/2019/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/t1enc.def))
(/usr/local/texlive/2019/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/textcomp.sty
(/usr/local/texlive/2019/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/ts1enc.def
(/usr/local/texlive/2019/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/ts1enc.dfu)))
(/usr/local/texlive/texmf-local/tex/latex/lucidabr/lucidabr.sty)
No file lucida-test.aux.
(/usr/local/texlive/2019/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/ts1cmr.fd)
(/usr/local/texlive/texmf-local/tex/latex/lucidabr/lmrhlcm.fd)
(/usr/local/texlive/texmf-local/tex/latex/lucida/t1hlh.fd)
(/usr/local/texlive/texmf-local/tex/latex/lucidabr/omlhlcm.fd)
(/usr/local/texlive/texmf-local/tex/latex/lucidabr/omshlcy.fd)
(/usr/local/texlive/texmf-local/tex/latex/lucidabr/omxhlcv.fd)
(/usr/local/texlive/texmf-local/tex/latex/lucida/ts1hlh.fd) [1{/usr/local/texli
ve/2019/texmf-var/fonts/map/pdftex/updmap/pdftex.map}] (./lucida-test.aux) ){/u
sr/local/texlive/2019/texmf-dist/fonts/enc/dvips/base/8r.enc}</usr/local/texliv
e/texmf-local/fonts/type1/bh/lucida/lbme.pfb></usr/local/texlive/texmf-local/fo
nts/type1/bh/lucida/lbmo.pfb></usr/local/texlive/texmf-local/fonts/type1/bh/luc
ida/lbms.pfb></usr/local/texlive/texmf-local/fonts/type1/bh/lucida/lbr.pfb>
Output written on lucida-test.pdf (1 page, 19467 bytes).
SyncTeX written on lucida-test.synctex.gz.
Transcript written on lucida-test.log.

and the attached PDF output.

Comparing the two logs, the difference is that

(/usr/local/texlive/texmf-local/tex/latex/lucida/t1hlh.fd)
(/usr/local/texlive/texmf-local/tex/latex/lucida/ts1hlh.fd)

are not read in your case.

It looks as if you installed the lucidabr LaTeX package

	http://ctan.org/pkg/psnfssx-luc

but not the font support files

	http://ctan.org/pkg/lucida

Up-to-date instructions (better that my outdated post from long ago) are at

	https://tug.org/store/lucida/type1.html

You may also want to have a look at the OpenType version of the fonts, which -- unlike the Type 1 version -- is kept up-to-date. See

	https://tug.org/store/lucida/opentype.html

and more generally

	https://tug.org/store/lucida/

Bruno Voisin

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From henry.chapman at desy.de  Thu Oct 10 21:28:11 2019
From: henry.chapman at desy.de (Henry Chapman)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 21:28:11 +0200
Subject: [lucida] lucida fonts being overridden
In-Reply-To: <887C57BD-C4D9-4D6D-BB51-C6BB6BE3F720@icloud.com>
References: <2D700517-09BA-42FA-8350-20FF89B1E854@desy.de>
 <887C57BD-C4D9-4D6D-BB51-C6BB6BE3F720@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <5B618A75-83B9-4B6F-8B96-EEDB568C10D6@desy.de>

Hi Bruno,

you are a life saver!  Thanks so much.  It seems that the entire /texmf-local/tex/latex/lucida directory was missing (perhaps I had confused it with /texmf-local/tex/latex/lucidabr which had a few .fd files in it).  Everything now works swimmingly

Henry

> On 10 Oct 2019, at 5:47 pm, Bruno Voisin <bvoisin at icloud.com> wrote:
> 
>> Le 10 oct. 2019 ? 17:04, Henry Chapman <henry.chapman at desy.de <mailto:henry.chapman at desy.de>> a ?crit :
>> 
>> I seem to be able to get the Lucida math fonts rendering, but not the fonts for text.  Instead, whatever I do, latex (or actually pdflatex) always wants to use other fonts 
>> 
>> To show what happens, I compiled the small latex file:
>> 
>> [...]
> 
> Hi Henry,
> 
> With your file I'm getting the console output
> 
> This is pdfTeX, Version 3.14159265-2.6-1.40.20 (TeX Live 2019) (preloaded format=pdflatex)
> restricted \write18 enabled.
> entering extended mode
> (./lucida-test.tex
> LaTeX2e <2019-10-01>
> (/usr/local/texlive/2019/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/article.cls
> Document Class: article 2019/08/27 v1.4j Standard LaTeX document class
> (/usr/local/texlive/2019/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/size10.clo))
> (/usr/local/texlive/2019/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/fontenc.sty
> (/usr/local/texlive/2019/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/t1enc.def))
> (/usr/local/texlive/2019/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/textcomp.sty
> (/usr/local/texlive/2019/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/ts1enc.def
> (/usr/local/texlive/2019/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/ts1enc.dfu)))
> (/usr/local/texlive/texmf-local/tex/latex/lucidabr/lucidabr.sty)
> No file lucida-test.aux.
> (/usr/local/texlive/2019/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/ts1cmr.fd)
> (/usr/local/texlive/texmf-local/tex/latex/lucidabr/lmrhlcm.fd)
> (/usr/local/texlive/texmf-local/tex/latex/lucida/t1hlh.fd)
> (/usr/local/texlive/texmf-local/tex/latex/lucidabr/omlhlcm.fd)
> (/usr/local/texlive/texmf-local/tex/latex/lucidabr/omshlcy.fd)
> (/usr/local/texlive/texmf-local/tex/latex/lucidabr/omxhlcv.fd)
> (/usr/local/texlive/texmf-local/tex/latex/lucida/ts1hlh.fd) [1{/usr/local/texli
> ve/2019/texmf-var/fonts/map/pdftex/updmap/pdftex.map}] (./lucida-test.aux) ){/u
> sr/local/texlive/2019/texmf-dist/fonts/enc/dvips/base/8r.enc}</usr/local/texliv
> e/texmf-local/fonts/type1/bh/lucida/lbme.pfb></usr/local/texlive/texmf-local/fo
> nts/type1/bh/lucida/lbmo.pfb></usr/local/texlive/texmf-local/fonts/type1/bh/luc
> ida/lbms.pfb></usr/local/texlive/texmf-local/fonts/type1/bh/lucida/lbr.pfb>
> Output written on lucida-test.pdf (1 page, 19467 bytes).
> SyncTeX written on lucida-test.synctex.gz.
> Transcript written on lucida-test.log.
> 
> and the attached PDF output.
> 
> Comparing the two logs, the difference is that
> 
> (/usr/local/texlive/texmf-local/tex/latex/lucida/t1hlh.fd)
> (/usr/local/texlive/texmf-local/tex/latex/lucida/ts1hlh.fd)
> 
> are not read in your case.
> 
> It looks as if you installed the lucidabr LaTeX package
> 
> 	http://ctan.org/pkg/psnfssx-luc <http://ctan.org/pkg/psnfssx-luc>
> 
> but not the font support files
> 
> 	http://ctan.org/pkg/lucida <http://ctan.org/pkg/lucida>
> 
> Up-to-date instructions (better that my outdated post from long ago) are at
> 
> 	https://tug.org/store/lucida/type1.html <https://tug.org/store/lucida/type1.html>
> 
> You may also want to have a look at the OpenType version of the fonts, which -- unlike the Type 1 version -- is kept up-to-date. See
> 
> 	https://tug.org/store/lucida/opentype.html <https://tug.org/store/lucida/opentype.html>
> 
> and more generally
> 
> 	https://tug.org/store/lucida/ <https://tug.org/store/lucida/>
> 
> Bruno Voisin
> 
> <lucida-test.pdf>

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