[latexrefman] sript-like vs cursive

[Vincent Belaïche]

Dear Jim,

FYI, I raised the question on FCTT:

https://groups.google.com/g/fr.comp.text.tex/c/ZeRGngp0XkA/m/rRuNhtAZDQAJ

and I got a feedback from Jean-Côme Carpentier (who translated to French
the TeX Book for the Dunod publisher).

>From his feedback, my current opinion is now that we should use only the
term « script » and neither « script-like » nor « cursive ». So here is
what I propose:

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@node Calligraphic
@subsection Calligraphic

@cindex calligraphic fonts
@cindex math calligraphic font
@cindex script fonts
@cindex fonts, script

Synopsis:

@example
\mathcal@{@var{uppercase-letters}@}
@end example

Use a script font, @dfn{math calligraphic}.

In this example the graph identifier is output in math calligraphic
font.

@example
Let the graph be \( \mathcal@{G@} \).
@end example

If you use something other than an uppercase letter then you do not get
an error but you also do not get math calligraphic output.  For instance,
@code{\mathcal@{g@}} outputs a close curly brace symbol.


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    V.

Le ven. 19 août 2022 à 23:47, Vincent Belaïche
<vincent.belaiche at gmail.com> a écrit :
>
> Dear Jim,
>
> I is possible to avoid the repeat as follows:
>
> --------8<-----------8<-----------8<-----------8<-----------8<-------
> @node Calligraphic
> @subsection Calligraphic
>
> @cindex calligraphic fonts
> @cindex script fonts
> @cindex fonts, script
>
> Synopsis:
>
> @example
> \mathcal@{@var{uppercase-letters}@}
> @end example
>
> Use a script-like cursive font, @dfn{math calligraphic}.
>
> In this example the graph identifier is output in math calligraphic
> font.
>
> @example
> Let the graph be \( \mathcal@{G@} \).
> @end example
>
> If you use something other than an uppercase letter then you do not get
> an error but you also do not get math calligraphic output.  For instance,
> @code{\mathcal@{g@}} outputs a close curly brace symbol.
> --------8<-----------8<-----------8<-----------8<-----------8<-------
>
> And anyway this is a reference LaTeX manual, not litterary works, I
> believe that the tolerance w.r.t. repeats is higher.
>
>   V.
>
> Le ven. 19 août 2022 à 14:42, Hefferon, Jim S. <jhefferon at smcvt.edu> a écrit :
> >
> > No, please leave it as is.
> >
> > > Use a script-like font.
> >
> > > In this example the graph identifier is output in a cursive font.
> >
> > Changing the first line to "Use a script-like or cursive font" leaves the second line with a repeat of the word "cursive."  I believe it is better as it is.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > -------------------------------------
> > I believe it important to give many examples, and to underlie the intuition (and sometimes, philosophy) behind definitions and results. This may slow the pace ... for some, in the hope to make it clearer to others.  -- Avi Wigderson
> >
> > ________________________________________
> > From: Vincent Belaïche <vincent.belaiche at gmail.com>
> > Sent: Friday, August 19, 2022 0:42
> > To: Hefferon, Jim S.
> > Cc: latexrefman
> > Subject: Re: sript-like vs cursive
> >
> > ⚠ External Sender ⚠
> >
> >
> > OK, still I will edit the node to say something like « script-like or
> > cursive », just for the reader to be aware that in the scope of this
> > node this means the same.
> >    V.
> >
> > Le ven. 19 août 2022 à 00:15, Hefferon, Jim S. <jhefferon at smcvt.edu> a écrit :
> > >
> > > My dictionary says
> > >
> > >  1. the letters or characters used in writing by hand; handwriting
> > >
> > > I think that is a fair description for someone trying to understand the style of font, so I'd leave it.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Jim
> > >
> > > -------------------------------------
> > > I believe it important to give many examples, and to underlie the intuition (and sometimes, philosophy) behind definitions and results. This may slow the pace ... for some, in the hope to make it clearer to others.  -- Avi Wigderson
> > >
> > > ________________________________________
> > > From: Vincent Belaïche <vincent.belaiche at gmail.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2022 16:52
> > > To: Hefferon, Jim S.
> > > Cc: latexrefman
> > > Subject: sript-like vs cursive
> > >
> > > ⚠ External Sender ⚠
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear Jim,
> > >
> > > Thank for replying to my previous post, I am well, I hope that you are too.
> > >
> > > I am still on propagating your r641. I noticed that in node
> > > Calligraphic two terms are used « script-like » and « cursive » to
> > > qualify the math calligraphic font. It is a bit confusing.
> > > Additionally, I am not sure that these are exact synonyms. I tend to
> > > feel that cusive is something in between script-like and print-like
> > > fonts, it looks like hand writing, but it has the regularity and
> > > overall symmetry of a print-like font.
> > >
> > > So I wish to replace all the script-like by cursive in this node (like
> > > in the current French version counterpart), and I am seeking yor
> > > consent.
> > >
> > > The French for cursive is just cursive. I am not sure how to translate
> > > « script-like », I would say literally « simili-manuscrit », but on
> > > this page https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ffontmeme.com%2Fpolices%2Fpolices-ecrituremanuscrite%2F&data=05%7C01%7Cjhefferon%40smcvt.edu%7Ccdcd1e63892e43fe90c708da819d3752%7Ccba7935edf564a6e9e66e8b9adbfaba4%7C0%7C0%7C637964809490651111%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=phT52oy0PBCFCdaYZAj86GVZN45rym2%2FLrtPqP%2FZuXs%3D&reserved=0
> > > they use the term « écriture manuscrite » (which means « hand-writing
> > > »).
> > >
> > >    V.