Now I am totally puzzled about fontinst: I get totally different tfm's for the 8r encoding when 1) executing the \latinfamily command or 2) creating manually the metrics for the 8r encoding only, e.g. \installfonts \transformfont{phvr8r}{\reencodefont{8r}{\fromafm{phvr8a}}} \endinstallfonts Am I just too stupid? Thank you in advance for any help Walter