<div dir="ltr">Hi all,<div><br></div><div>@<span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px">Christian Boitet- you are right. Marathi characters are not subsets of the Hindi ones.</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px">Firstly, Marathi has two L s unlike Hindi, ल and ळ. On InScript keyboard, the second one is considered as "harsh" L, in the sense that it is obtained by "Shift+ल'.</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px">This harsh L appears in Vedic Sanskrit also, e.g. from Rigveda:</span></div><div><span style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(106,106,106)">अहेळमानो</span><span style="color:rgb(84,84,84)"> वरुणेह बोध्युरुश◌ंस मा न आयुः प्र मोषीः॥ १.०२४.११॥</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px">Secondly, the way श in Marathi is written is different than in Hindi. </span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px">And finally, the soft L, or ल is typed differently in Marathi.</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px">For the details see Table 12.6 on page 461 in the unicode standard version specifications, the link below:</span></div><div><a href="http://www.unicode.org/versions/Unicode9.0.0/ch12.pdf">http://www.unicode.org/versions/Unicode9.0.0/ch12.pdf</a></div><div><span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px"><br></span></div><div><br></div><div><span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px">Finally, the fonts "Yashomudra" and "Yashovenu" prepared by CDAC and the Goverment's Institute for Marathi Language Development (राज्य मराठी विकास संस्था ) have these characters. </span><span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px">IIT Bombay's Girish Dalvi has the font "Mukta" and the above two fonts allow to choose Marathi characters in LaTeX (polyglossia) by adding the parameter "</span>StylisticSet=1" in (Xe)LaTeX with Polyglossia.</div><div><br></div><div>With best regards,</div><div>-Rohit.</div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 4:46 AM, Christian Boitet <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Christian.Boitet@imag.fr" target="_blank">Christian.Boitet@imag.fr</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">Hi,<span class="m_-6168133627140286286Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>18/6/17<div><br></div><div>Marathi (script) is surely not a subset ofHindi (script) as, for example, there are 2 letters "L" in Marathi and 1 only in Hindi.</div><div><br></div><div>Maybe some colleagues from India or Pakistan could help. I put 3 in copy.</div><div><br></div><div>IITB/CFILT is doing work on Hindi, Marathi, Bengali and more since years under Prof. Pushpak Bhattacharyya. Ritesh Shah is finishing his PhD with both of us and is a Gujarati native speaker.</div><div>Prof. Pushpak is currently President of the ACL and knows everybody in NLP in India. He can certainly answer many questions and give pointers to colleagues who know all the details of the "Indo-Pak" langages. Abbas Malik, who also did his PhD with us, knows probably the most about Indo-Pak languages and their scripts as he did his PhD on transliteration between scripts of these languages (many have 2).</div><div><br><div>Best,</div><div>Christian Boitet</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div class="h5"><div>Le 18 juin 2017 à 17:35, Zdenek Wagner <<a href="mailto:zdenek.wagner@gmail.com" target="_blank">zdenek.wagner@gmail.com</a>> a écrit :</div><br class="m_-6168133627140286286Apple-interchange-newline"></div></div><div><div><div class="h5"><div dir="ltr">2017-06-18 16:38 GMT+02:00 Mike Maxwell <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:maxwell@umiacs.umd.edu" target="_blank">maxwell@umiacs.umd.edu</a>></span>:<br><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span class="m_-6168133627140286286gmail-">On 6/18/2017 4:04 AM, Zdenek Wagner wrote:<br>
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as far as I know the Devanagari fonts are either Sanskrit with all conjuncts that cannot be switched off or Hindi without the Sanskrit conjuncts. <br>
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Do other languages that use Devanagari, like Gujarati, use the same conjuncts as Hindi?<span class="m_-6168133627140286286gmail-HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br></font></span></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Gujarati is written in the Gujarati script. Devanagari is used in Marathi and Nepali. There is a Nepali Linux Group, I offered them that I create xindy rules and Steve White asked me about the conjuncts so that he could implement the Nepali language but I got no reply from them. I have no response from Marathi users either but I have some printed documents in Marathi and it seems that the set of conjucts is the same as in nowadays Hindi (Marathi does not use characters with nuktas, thus the name of the Bollywood actress Priyanka Chopra is written as प्रियंका चोपड़ा in Hindi newspapers and as प्रियांका चोप्रा in Marathi newspapers). I have not ben to Rajastan so I do not know whether Rajastan, Mevari, Marvari have differences but probably not.<br><br></div><div>So the result is that Marathi is most probably a subset of Hindi hence Language=Hindi can also be used for Marathi. Strictly Marathi font may be unusable for Hindi because the charcters with nuktas and especially their conjuncts and half forms need not be available in the font. I saw such a font a few years ago but it was fixed.<br></div><div><br><br clear="all"><div><div class="m_-6168133627140286286gmail_signature">Zdeněk Wagner<br><a href="http://ttsm.icpf.cas.cz/team/wagner.shtml" target="_blank">http://ttsm.icpf.cas.cz/team/<wbr>wagner.shtml</a><br><a href="http://icebearsoft.euweb.cz/" target="_blank">http://icebearsoft.euweb.cz</a></div></div>
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