<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Dear Zdenek,</span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">> </span><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">There are official guidelines how to insert EPS, </span><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">I do</span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">> not know whether such guidelines exist for </span><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">inclusion</span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">> of PDF. If so, the guidelines should be </span><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">followed.</span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Yes, I agree. That's the most important thing to be</span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">considered. But unfortunately I don't know where </span><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">I</span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">could find such guidelines for pdf either.</span></div><div><br></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Dear Philip,</span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">For a "normal" user, the simplest way to rotate a PDF</span></font></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">is to open it in Adobe Acrobat, ask the latter to<br>"Document / rotate pages", select the appropriate</span></font></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">options and then save the modified file under a new</span></font></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">name.</span></font></blockquote><div>I think so, and many "normal" users behind this list will</div><div>agree with you.</div><div><br></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">And if there are no official </span><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">guidelines for </span><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">inclusion of PDF,</span></div><div>one has to "set a standard"; and pdfTeX has already done:</div><div>pdfTeX can be regarded as having determined "how TeX-</div><div>related programs should behave when pdf figure inclusion".</div><div><br></div><div>Currently pdfTeX and XeTeX behave in different way, which</div><div>is confusing. PdfTeX's behavior is easy to understand for</div><div>"normal" users, so XeTeX will become more user-friendly</div><div>if it follows the pdfTeX "standard".</div><div><br></div><div>Another important perspective is the possibility of /Rotate</div><div>support. When it comes to supporting /Rotate, there seems</div><div>to be a great technical difficulty as Zdenek notes, right?</div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">the difference is that pdftex does everything in one step,</span></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">xetex prepares a \special for xdvipdfmx. </span><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">In order to </span></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">implement /Rotate you have to read the page directory ...</span></div></div></div></blockquote><div>Is there any chance for XeTeX and xdvipdfmx to overcome</div><div>the difficulty?</div><div><br></div><div>Thank you in advance.</div><div>Hironobu</div></body></html>