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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dear François, Akira, and others,<br>
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      Thanks for taking the time with this. <br>
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      Yes, I have now accepted that the current behavior is the expected
      behavior and it is now what I get with both TL2014 and TL2015. I
      am not sure why I was getting the other behavior before I
      upgraded, but it is now irreproducible on my system. <br>
      <br>
      It looks like I will have just do the work of modifying my
      documents to include local option switching. <br>
      <br>
      Best,<br>
      <br>
      Nathan<br>
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      <br>
      On 8/1/15 7:30 AM, FC wrote:<br>
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          <div>Dear Nathan,<br>
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          After compiling your example on TL 2014 and TL 2015 with the
          Scheherazade font, I saw absolutely <b>no</b> difference
          between them, which is what should be expected. Then I
          immediately realized why you're having this problem. In your
          example, you define \A as \textarabic. But since the package
          option is <b>novoc</b>, it is assumed to contain legacy
          ArabTeX ASCII notation, not UTF-8.  The ArabXeTeX
          documentation says that to input direct UTF-8 you need to use
          the option <b>utf</b>. So if you use explicitly \textarab[<b>utf</b>]{خطًا}
          instead your tanwin will not disappear. In the novoc mode
          there is indeed a mapping rule which explicitly strips off all
          vowels (even from UTF-8 input).<br>
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        <div>Regards,<br>
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        <div>François Charette<br>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">2015-07-31 18:55 GMT+02:00 FC <span
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              href="mailto:firmicus04@gmail.com" target="_blank">firmicus04@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br>
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                <div>Dear Nathan,<br>
                  I would be happy to help you debug this very strange
                  behaviour. I will contact you off-list. But first I
                  need to install TL 2015 to a separate virtual machine
                  (as I am still using TL 2014).<br>
                  <br>
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                <div>BTW the utf mode does a little more than you think
                  (it loads a mapping from Latin to Arabic for
                  punctuation signs, so that e.g. U+002C becomes U+060C
                  in the output), but anyway you are right: what you
                  observe simply should not happen.<br>
                  <br>
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                Regards,<br>
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              François<br>
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                  <div class="gmail_quote">2015-07-31 13:08 GMT+02:00
                    Zdenek Wagner <span dir="ltr"><<a
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
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                        target="_blank">zdenek.wagner@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br>
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                        <div>As a free font I would suggest Sheherezade
                          from SIL.<br>
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                        My knowledge of arabic is nearly zero, I only
                        know a little urdu so I can recognize the
                        characters but know nothing about grammar.<br>
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                          <div>Zdeněk Wagner<br>
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                              href="http://ttsm.icpf.cas.cz/team/wagner.shtml"
                              target="_blank">http://ttsm.icpf.cas.cz/team/wagner.shtml</a><br>
                            <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="http://icebearsoft.euweb.cz"
                              target="_blank">http://icebearsoft.euweb.cz</a></div>
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                            <div class="gmail_quote">2015-07-31 13:01
                              GMT+02:00 Ulrike Fischer <span dir="ltr"><<a
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                                  target="_blank">news3@nililand.de</a>></span>:<br>
                              <blockquote class="gmail_quote"><span>Am
                                  Wed, 29 Jul 2015 16:19:15 +0900
                                  schrieb Nathan Camillo Sidoli:<br>
                                  <br>
                                  > Here is a minimal example:<br>
                                  <br>
                                </span>Not really minimal. I don't know
                                arabic and so even don't know where<br>
                                to look at and decide if something is
                                missing.<br>
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                                Try to make an example that use only one
                                or two input chars. If<br>
                                possible enter as ascii with their
                                unicode notation: ^^^^062e<br>
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                                And if possible use a free font and tell
                                where to get it.<br>
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                                  <br>
                                  --<br>
                                  Ulrike Fischer<br>
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