<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/1/8 <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:xetex-request@tug.org">xetex-request@tug.org</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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1. Re: Preventing a line break at a given set of characters<br>
(Zdenek Wagner)<br>
2. HI (chandrasekhar s)<br>
3. Re: HI (Zdenek Wagner)<br>
4. Re: HI (Yves Codet)<br>
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Cc: <br>Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 14:50:14 +0100<br>Subject: Re: [XeTeX] Preventing a line break at a given set of characters<br>2012/1/7 Paul Isambert <<a href="mailto:zappathustra@free.fr">zappathustra@free.fr</a>>:<br>
> Shiva Shankar <<a href="mailto:shivably04sdst@gmail.com">shivably04sdst@gmail.com</a>> a écrit:<br>
>><br>
>> Hi,<br>
>><br>
>> Is it possible to prevent the linebreak at a given set of characters?<br>
>> for example TeX will never break a line at fullstop(.) I mean<br>
>> fullstop alone never goto next line (unless there is a space behind<br>
>> it). Similarly for comma(,), semicolon(;) etc.<br>
><br>
This is not a right question. TeX breaks lines:<br>
1. at a glue unless it is preceded by a discardable item<br>
2. at a kern it it is immediatelly followed by a glue<br>
3. at a penalty no matter what follows or precedes<br>
4. at a \discretionary either explicit or resulting from analysis of<br>
hyphenation pattern.<br>
<br>
A hyphen is roughly treated as<br>
\penalty\exhyphenpenalty\discretionary{-}{}{-}. Thus there is nothing<br>
in the TeX world as breaking at a character. In order to give good<br>
advice I need to know what exactly you wish to achieve. If you look at<br>
the above rules, you see that if you put \kert0pt in between thwo<br>
characters, TeX will never break there. However, the kern will<br>
suppress any implicit kern that would otherwise be inserted by<br>
examining the font metrics and in addition will create word boundary<br>
so that hyphenation patterns will not match properly the remaining<br>
parts of the word. If you mark feasible hyphenation points with \-,<br>
TeX will not examine hyphenation patterns for that word and used only<br>
\- when optimizing paragraph breaking. The trick with \lccode will<br>
work too because hyphenation works only if the characters have<br>
\catcode equal to 11 and nonzero \lccode.<br></blockquote><div><br>I want to achieve the following <br><br>We have a package called kanlel.sty to typeset Kannada in TeX/LaTeX.<br>At present we don't have hyphenation patterns for this package.<br>
For the time being what I want to achieve is, let us minimize the breaks at <br>inappropriate places so that it eases many of our tasks. In Kannada <br>we get characters(Conjuncts) which have to appear below some other character(Consonants) and they cannot <br>
appear independently. Nearly there are 32 such characters and nine other characters which are <br>Vowel diacritics and there also if I can prevent the breaking then I guess output will be good.<br><br>I want to try to build a hyphenation patterns for Kannada (kanlel package). <br>
We have a huge corpus of Kannada and I can create hyphenated list of unique words out of it. <br>And we also have a rule for hyphenation i.e. leftmin should be 2 and rightmin should also be 2. <br>What is the next step that we have to do?<br>
<br>After generating hyphenation pattern should I compulsorily use babel for using these patterns<br>or can I use them Independently?<br><br>Regards<br>Shivashankar<br><br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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> You can always set \lccode to 0 for the characters you want to be<br>
> unbreakable, but that will mess with word recognition globally, so you<br>
> won't have hyphenation where you don't want it, but you won't have it<br>
> either in many places where expected. A solution might be to add a<br>
> glue -- preceded by an infinite penalty -- after the character to mark<br>
> the legitimate end of a word; you might be able to do that automatically<br>
> with interchartoks; that won't solve problem with \right/lefthyphenmin,<br>
> though. See e.g.:<br>
><br>
> % Normal hyphenation.<br>
> \showhyphens{absolutely}<br>
><br>
> % Bad solution.<br>
> \lccode`\t=0<br>
> \showhyphens{absolutely}<br>
><br>
> % Better solution.<br>
> \XeTeXinterchartokenstate=1<br>
> \XeTeXcharclass`\t=10<br>
> \XeTeXinterchartoks 10 0 = {\penalty10000\hskip0pt}<br>
> \showhyphens{absolutely}<br>
><br>
> I'm not sure this is sound.<br>
><br>
> Of course, you can also declare exceptions with \hyphenation, provided<br>
> you don't have too many of them.<br>
><br>
> Best,<br>
> Paul<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
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Cc: <br>Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 02:32:33 +0530<br>Subject: [XeTeX] HI<br><div><br></div><div><img src="" alt="enter image description here"></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><span>Can the above image be produced using the </span><code>devanagari</code><span> package. To produce it I used the </span><code>skt</code><span>package but I am curious to know if this image (that is the chandrabindu along with the halanth) can be produced using the </span><code>devanagari</code><span> package. This symbol very often is used in the "Rudram: Namakam-Camakam" mantra.</span></div>
<div><span><br></span></div><div style="text-align:left"><font color="#393318" face="'Lucida Grande', 'Lucida Sans Unicode', 'Lucida Sans', Tahoma, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:14px;line-height:18px">Chandrasekhar</span></font></div>
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Cc: <br>Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 23:10:50 +0100<br>Subject: Re: [XeTeX] HI<br><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote">2012/1/7 chandrasekhar s <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:chandru.mcc@gmail.com" target="_blank">chandru.mcc@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
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<div><br></div><div><img src="" alt="enter image description here"></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><span>Can the above image be produced using the </span><code>devanagari</code><span> package. To produce it I used the </span><code>skt</code><span>package but I am curious to know if this image (that is the chandrabindu along with the halanth) can be produced using the </span><code>devanagari</code><span> package. This symbol very often is used in the "Rudram: Namakam-Camakam" mantra.</span></div>
</blockquote><div><br>Yes, {\dn\dnsamaveda hi\@\ }<br>But this is not a XeTeX question. I do not know how to produce it in XeTeX. <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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Cc: <br>Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 07:36:31 +0100<br>Subject: Re: [XeTeX] HI<br>Le 7 janv. 2012 à 23:10, Zdenek Wagner a écrit :<br>
<br>
> 2012/1/7 chandrasekhar s <<a href="mailto:chandru.mcc@gmail.com">chandru.mcc@gmail.com</a>><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Can the above image be produced using the devanagari package. To produce it I used the sktpackage but I am curious to know if this image (that is the chandrabindu along with the halanth) can be produced using the devanagari package. This symbol very often is used in the "Rudram: Namakam-Camakam" mantra.<br>
><br>
> Yes, {\dn\dnsamaveda hi\@\ }<br>
> But this is not a XeTeX question. I do not know how to produce it in XeTeX.<br>
<br>
You need a font including the last character (U+A8F3 DEVANAGARI SIGN CANDRABINDU VIRAMA). There's only Siddhanta as far as Alan Woods knows:<br>
<a href="http://www.alanwood.net/unicode/devanagari-extended.html" target="_blank">http://www.alanwood.net/unicode/devanagari-extended.html</a><br>
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Regards,<br>
<br>
Yves<br>
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